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I love it to death, for me it is the best score of the entire series, followed by The Living Daylights, A View To A Kill and Octopussy (all by John Barry).

1. FYEO 2. TLD 3. LTK 4. FRWL 5. OHMSS 6. TSWLM 7. GF  8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. DN 11. SP 12. MR 13. SF  14. CR 15. TB 16. LALD 17. GE 18. YOLT 19. TND 20. TMWTGG 21. TWINE 22. TND 23. DAF 24. DAD

1. Dalton 2. Moore 3. Connery 4. Lazenby 5. Craig  6. Brosnan

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When Bond was running up the steps, the Rocky theme could've been used. I feel this would've killed the suspense and made it look camp.

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I love the score, dated and all for what it is. Some of the music is a bit too upbeat, but it doesn't bother me.
Hard for me to picture the Citroen chase without A Drive In The Country. I imagine Barry might have created something along the lines of He's Dangerous, or possibly kept the majority of the scene music-less until a pivotal moment for it to kick in a'la the Mustang chase in DAF. Or, it might have been the scene to include a rendition of The James Bond Theme for this particular film.
The gunbarrel I love!!! It's a traditional gunbarrel with Conti's own flair. In other words, he didn't change music cues like Arnold in TND or Hamlisch in TSWLM. I think it's great!

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ToTheRight wrote:

I love the score, dated and all for what it is. Some of the music is a bit too upbeat, but it doesn't bother me.
Hard for me to picture the Citroen chase without A Drive In The Country. I imagine Barry might have created something along the lines of He's Dangerous, or possibly kept the majority of the scene music-less until a pivotal moment for it to kick in a'la the Mustang chase in DAF. Or, it might have been the scene to include a rendition of The James Bond Theme for this particular film.
The gunbarrel I love!!! It's a traditional gunbarrel with Conti's own flair. In other words, he didn't change music cues like Arnold in TND or Hamlisch in TSWLM. I think it's great!

I'm pretty sure John Barry would have scored the Citroen chase with the light-sounding Bond theme he used in the Moore films, just as he did the gondola chase in MR and the car on the train tracks chase in OP. He would have saved a new action cue for the ski chase where we hear Runaway, or used the Bond theme there. He would have written a romantic theme for the occasions when Conti uses the FYEO theme, and its easy to imagine what that would have sounded like. It's easy to know what to expect Barry, and by this time he got lazy with some of his scores. I love the (over)use of the Bond theme in MR and OP, but it's lazy. TLD shows how to use the Bond theme alongside new cues. The biggest upside to Conti scoring FYEO instead of Barry is that we got something completely fresh. Barry could have done just more of the same with FYEO, though I appreciate all of Barry's later works despite this.

I think everyone loves the FYEO gunbarrel. It has such power, and it sounds more cool than it sounds dated.

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Matt S wrote:

by this time he got lazy with some of his scores. I love the (over)use of the Bond theme in MR and OP, but it's lazy.

I disagree that his work came across as lazy. My only observation is that because the themes weren't as jazzy as they were in the 60s that perhaps they become less iconic.

TMWTGG IMO would be his most underrated work, it's stunning. Especially listening to some of the extended tracks that have been stripped out of the film (on YouTube).

Moonraker features Barry's deepest work, Flight Into Space IMO is up there with the greatest pieces of soundtrack in any film. It highlights Barry's talent to switch from a jazz composer, to a great film composer. It perfectly captures the mood, expanse and style of the film - and outer space themed composing.

OP is probably Barry's flattest score, it isn't deep or dark, and it isn't overly light. It does feature an incredible love theme, in particular the track That's my little Octopussy which IMO is the most romantic Bond music that Barry has made. The score reflects an eastern theme without being overly cliched (elements of YOLT/TMWTGG are guilty of this) and maintains a serious Cold War feel.

AVTAK and TLD begin bringing in a bit of experimentation (guitar and bass) and give the scores a bit more edge than his previous three. IMO TLD is his best work and a great soundtrack to end Bond on.

1. TWINE  2. FYEO  3. MR  4. TLD  5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS  7. DN  8. OP  9. AVTAK  10. TMWTGG  11. QoS 12. GE  13. CR  14. TB  15. FRWL  16. LTK  17. GF  18. SF  19. LaLD  20. YOLT  21. TND  22. DAD  23. DAF.

"If you'll forgive me, that's a little too scented for my palate."

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heartbroken_mr_drax wrote:
Matt S wrote:

by this time he got lazy with some of his scores. I love the (over)use of the Bond theme in MR and OP, but it's lazy.

I disagree that his work came across as lazy. My only observation is that because the themes weren't as jazzy as they were in the 60s that perhaps they become less iconic.

TMWTGG IMO would be his most underrated work, it's stunning. Especially listening to some of the extended tracks that have been stripped out of the film (on YouTube).

Moonraker features Barry's deepest work, Flight Into Space IMO is up there with the greatest pieces of soundtrack in any film. It highlights Barry's talent to switch from a jazz composer, to a great film composer. It perfectly captures the mood, expanse and style of the film - and outer space themed composing.

OP is probably Barry's flattest score, it isn't deep or dark, and it isn't overly light. It does feature an incredible love theme, in particular the track That's my little Octopussy which IMO is the most romantic Bond music that Barry has made. The score reflects an eastern theme without being overly cliched (elements of YOLT/TMWTGG are guilty of this) and maintains a serious Cold War feel.

AVTAK and TLD begin bringing in a bit of experimentation (guitar and bass) and give the scores a bit more edge than his previous three. IMO TLD is his best work and a great soundtrack to end Bond on.

I agree with all your points. The laziness I'm referring to is in comparison to the other scores he was doing at those times, not in comparison to other Bond works. Overall, Barry's works had become more and more similar to each other. His Bond works feature the most creativity of the era, though if it weren't for differing instrumentation we'd hear even more similarity in his works.

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I quite like it, some great instrumentals in the action scenes

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I really do have a super strong passionate and never-ending love for the majesty which is Bill Conti's Score for FYEO.  ajb007/biggrin
'A Drive in the country' piece alone makes it such a stand out score. Yes it's old. yes it's cheesy. But I'd have a million FYEO soundtracks to Thomas Newman (Soundtrack is suppose to be forgettable goal which he seemed to have successfully accomplished).
Runaway is another fantastic track
So is Cortina.
And I can't finish this post without mentioning that amazing saxophone in 'take me home.'  ajb007/martini  ajb007/martini  ajb007/martini
Oh and the gunbarrel music is pretty top-notch as well.

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James Suzuki wrote:

I really do have a super strong passionate and never-ending love for the majesty which is Bill Conti's Score for FYEO.  ajb007/biggrin
'A Drive in the country' piece alone makes it such a stand out score. Yes it's old. yes it's cheesy. But I'd have a million FYEO soundtracks to Thomas Newman (Soundtrack is suppose to be forgettable goal which he seemed to have successfully accomplished).
Runaway is another fantastic track
So is Cortina.
And I can't finish this post without mentioning that amazing saxophone in 'take me home.'  ajb007/martini  ajb007/martini  ajb007/martini
Oh and the gunbarrel music is pretty top-notch as well.

ajb007/cheers yes! Some people find the soundtrack jarring and would prefer a Barry score to make what's on screen come across as more convincing - I disagree. I believe that Conti's score - which is loud and comes across brightly and amplified - creates a brilliant atmosphere. The greatest example of this is the mood created by Bond's arrival in Cortina and the change in music when he sees the words in the mirror and then the camera pans up to the setting. Brilliant.

1. TWINE  2. FYEO  3. MR  4. TLD  5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS  7. DN  8. OP  9. AVTAK  10. TMWTGG  11. QoS 12. GE  13. CR  14. TB  15. FRWL  16. LTK  17. GF  18. SF  19. LaLD  20. YOLT  21. TND  22. DAD  23. DAF.

"If you'll forgive me, that's a little too scented for my palate."

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Love it!

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One of the best gunbarrels,  some parts are OK other bits a bit meh for me.

It was either that.....or the priesthood

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I love the FYEO score it was fresh and still holds up well today.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

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It works! I love Runaway as a music cue. It gets the blood pumping! I also like his version of the Bond theme that is used when Apostis is killed.

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An excellent soundtrack that sometimes doesn't match the shots (think Goodbye Countess) but it could very well be an editing error that hadn't been fixed. Even if I loved TSWLM soundtrack it still is the best non Barry/Arnold soundtrack. Had the SPWLM soundtrack been released to its full then I might've reconsidered.

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Dirty Punker wrote:

Even if I loved TSWLM soundtrack it still is the best non Barry/Arnold soundtrack.

ajb007/cheers

1. TWINE  2. FYEO  3. MR  4. TLD  5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS  7. DN  8. OP  9. AVTAK  10. TMWTGG  11. QoS 12. GE  13. CR  14. TB  15. FRWL  16. LTK  17. GF  18. SF  19. LaLD  20. YOLT  21. TND  22. DAD  23. DAF.

"If you'll forgive me, that's a little too scented for my palate."

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He sure loves his trumpets : Rocky , 007 FYEO , Dynasty & Masters of Universe  ajb007/tongue 

FYEO ost is much better than Brosnan/Craig era , at least it has soul and not generic  ajb007/cheers

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Grindelwald wrote:

He sure loves his trumpets : Rocky , 007 FYEO , Dynasty & Masters of Universe  ajb007/tongue 

FYEO ost is much better than Brosnan/Craig era , at least it has soul and not generic  ajb007/cheers

I love Arnold's scores - but I agree that Conti (in his own style) manages to capture the Barry jazziness in some respects.

1. TWINE  2. FYEO  3. MR  4. TLD  5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS  7. DN  8. OP  9. AVTAK  10. TMWTGG  11. QoS 12. GE  13. CR  14. TB  15. FRWL  16. LTK  17. GF  18. SF  19. LaLD  20. YOLT  21. TND  22. DAD  23. DAF.

"If you'll forgive me, that's a little too scented for my palate."

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Grindelwald wrote:

He sure loves his trumpets : Rocky , 007 FYEO , Dynasty & Masters of Universe  ajb007/tongue 

FYEO ost is much better than Brosnan/Craig era , at least it has soul and not generic  ajb007/cheers

The FYEO score indeed has more soul than any of Arnold's scores, but I think Arnold's score better capture the Bond feel.

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Matt S wrote:

Arnold's score better capture the Bond feel.

Agreed.

1. TWINE  2. FYEO  3. MR  4. TLD  5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS  7. DN  8. OP  9. AVTAK  10. TMWTGG  11. QoS 12. GE  13. CR  14. TB  15. FRWL  16. LTK  17. GF  18. SF  19. LaLD  20. YOLT  21. TND  22. DAD  23. DAF.

"If you'll forgive me, that's a little too scented for my palate."

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Matt S wrote:
Grindelwald wrote:

He sure loves his trumpets : Rocky , 007 FYEO , Dynasty & Masters of Universe  ajb007/tongue 

FYEO ost is much better than Brosnan/Craig era , at least it has soul and not generic  ajb007/cheers

The FYEO score indeed has more soul than any of Arnold's scores, but I think Arnold's score better capture the Bond feel.

All you have to do to really hear Barry is listen to "Come in 007, Your Time Is Up". Brilliant usage of the Bond theme (not too busy like TND's score) and great introduction of electric sounds - something that Barry started introducing with AVTAK/TLD.

1. TWINE  2. FYEO  3. MR  4. TLD  5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS  7. DN  8. OP  9. AVTAK  10. TMWTGG  11. QoS 12. GE  13. CR  14. TB  15. FRWL  16. LTK  17. GF  18. SF  19. LaLD  20. YOLT  21. TND  22. DAD  23. DAF.

"If you'll forgive me, that's a little too scented for my palate."

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Outside of the film, I love Conti's score. It's full of energy. I used to think it matched the film well too. I used to think its lighter tone helped transition audiences from the silliness of Moonraker to FYEO's more serious approach. But after a recent viewing, I found the score in the first half jarring in relation to the onscreen action. I agree with the person who said it changes the film's intended serious tone onto a much sillier one. It becomes better in the second half, though, especially the underwater scenes and the climb to St. Cyrils.

1. CR 2 OHMSS 3. TSWLM 4. TLD 5. SF 6. GF
7. GE 8. FRwL 9. FYEO 10. LtK 11. DN 12. TMwtGG
13. AVtaK14. TB 15. OP 16. SP 17. TWiNE 18. TND
19. MR 20. LaLD 21. QoS 22. YOLT 23. DAD 24. DAF

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IcePak wrote:

Outside of the film, I love Conti's score. It's full of energy. I used to think it matched the film well too. I used to think its lighter tone helped transition audiences from the silliness of Moonraker to FYEO's more serious approach. But after a recent viewing, I found the score in the first half jarring in relation to the onscreen action. I agree with the person who said it changes the film's intended serious tone onto a much sillier one. It becomes better in the second half, though, especially the underwater scenes and the climb to St. Cyrils.

I find my familiarity of the score outside of the film has made it's integration into the film on subsequent watching improve.

Interesting how us fans see differently!

1. TWINE  2. FYEO  3. MR  4. TLD  5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS  7. DN  8. OP  9. AVTAK  10. TMWTGG  11. QoS 12. GE  13. CR  14. TB  15. FRWL  16. LTK  17. GF  18. SF  19. LaLD  20. YOLT  21. TND  22. DAD  23. DAF.

"If you'll forgive me, that's a little too scented for my palate."

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For those who are interested in some of the story behind Bill Conti's score, James Bond Radio have released an interview with Conti on their latest podcast episode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy6YfoxeyaQ

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Golrush007 wrote:

For those who are interested in some of the story behind Bill Conti's score, James Bond Radio have released an interview with Conti on their latest podcast episode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy6YfoxeyaQ

Was really interesting - thanks for sharing! Interesting how Binder influenced that the first lyrics had to be the title of the film.

Also very interesting is how many of these legends don't remember some key details or have the same sentiments the fans have. Conti couldn't really remember the tracks or pieces at all  ajb007/lol would've loved to hear him analyse the Gunbarrel music.

Hamlisch's interview in the 10/12 part BBC documentary on TSWLM is one of the best.

1. TWINE  2. FYEO  3. MR  4. TLD  5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS  7. DN  8. OP  9. AVTAK  10. TMWTGG  11. QoS 12. GE  13. CR  14. TB  15. FRWL  16. LTK  17. GF  18. SF  19. LaLD  20. YOLT  21. TND  22. DAD  23. DAF.

"If you'll forgive me, that's a little too scented for my palate."

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And apparently everyone from Providence speaks like David Hedison.