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broadshoulder wrote:
Matt S wrote:
broadshoulder wrote:

Twenty years? Craig was the perfect age - Brosnan was approaching the hill...

Actually, a 15 year difference. Craig was 38 and Brosnan was 53 in 2006. Roger Moore was great in FYEO at 53, and Brosnan was still in great shape last year in The November Man (even though it was a pretty bad film). So you still don't have a reason?

Oh dear oh dear....someone just not reading my answers correctly...

The difference between 38 (still young) and 53 (too old) is obvious. He couldn't play the young spy anymore. He was stuck playing roues. 15 years is a long time in Hollywood. People can play a rookie or an old geezer?

Hows this? Can you understand that? Do you want it spelt out to you? Brosnan was too old

....and got sacked.

I understand that you think 53 makes someone an old man. I still don't understand why 53 is too old and why Brosnan was too old for Bond. You still haven't explained that other than spitting out numbers. Roger Moore was fantastic at 53, and Brosnan could have been too. Have you seen what he looked like at 54 in Butterfly on a Wheel? See how great he looks here: https://www.google.com/search?q=butterf … 41#imgrc=_

He would not have been too old to have been believable as Bond. Not like Roger Moore in AVTAK. Brosnan was still physically capable of everything necessary in a Fleming story, and he certainly did not look like an "old geezer". Not like Moore after FYEO or Connery at 52 in NSNA. Your criticism is purely ageist if you can't explain why 53 is too old. Vesper would have been cast in her mid 30s to be more believable, though Eva Green looked a lot older than she actually was.

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Matt S wrote:

I understand that you think 53 makes someone an old man. .

versus a 38 year old. Yes he is...

Matt S wrote:

I still don't understand why 53 is too old and why Brosnan was too old for Bond. You still haven't explained that other than spitting out numbers.

Thats an argument. Either you stopped listening or just don't care

Matt S wrote:

Roger Moore was fantastic at 53, and Brosnan could have been too. Have you seen what he looked like at 54 in Butterfly on a Wheel? See how great he looks here: https://www.google.com/search?q=butterf … 41#imgrc=_

When the plot of Casino Royale is about a new agent learning the ways of an agent - a 53 year old man is too old. Its obvious that he couldn't cut it as a younger agent.

Matt S wrote:

He would not have been too old to have been believable as Bond. Not like Roger Moore in AVTAK. Brosnan was still physically capable of everything necessary in a Fleming story, and he certainly did not look like an "old geezer". Not like Moore after FYEO or Connery at 52 in NSNA. Your criticism is purely ageist if you can't explain why 53 is too old. Vesper would have been cast in her mid 30s to be more believable, though Eva Green looked a lot older than she actually was.

Well considering the age Rog was when he left - are you sure you want him to carry on to his fifties?

Casino Royale was not a story for an old roue. Alot of the early story is Bond making mistake (ie Madagascar). An older man wouldn't cut it. Its also a story where you are introduced to the Bond props ie evening jacket, vodka martinis. A new man would be wrong.

Brosnan when they chose Casino Royale - had to go....

1. For Your Eyes Only      2. The Living Daylights    3 From Russia with Love  4. Casino Royale  5. OHMSS  6. Skyfall

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broadshoulder wrote:

versus a 38 year old. Yes he is...

Why does age have to be a comparison?

broadshoulder wrote:

When the plot of Casino Royale is about a new agent learning the ways of an agent - a 53 year old man is too old. Its obvious that he couldn't cut it as a younger agent.

The plot of Daniel Craig's Casino Royale is about a new agent. I'd argue that Craig was a bit too old for that. The plot of Fleming's Casino Royale was not key on Bond being a new agent.

broadshoulder wrote:

Well considering the age Rog was when he left - are you sure you want him to carry on to his fifties?

Moore was excellent in his early 50s, so I have no problem with Brosnan in his 50s, especially since Brosnan was in better shape.

broadshoulder wrote:

Casino Royale was not a story for an old roue. Alot of the early story is Bond making mistake (ie Madagascar). An older man wouldn't cut it. Its also a story where you are introduced to the Bond props ie evening jacket, vodka martinis. A new man would be wrong.

Who's the one who "stopped listening"? You didn't read my proposed film. I proposed that they made a film based more closely on the novel. Bond does not go to Madagascar in the novel, and it's not about Bond making mistakes. The novel isn't about Bond becoming Bond like Craig's film is.

broadshoulder wrote:

Brosnan when they chose Casino Royale - had to go....

They didn't have to choose to make Casino Royale an origin story. Fleming's book introduced James Bond and gave a little bit of background to the character, but it didn't tell the story of how Bond becomes Bond.

Brosnan definitely could not have done the same Casino Royale that Craig did because of the changes made for the film. But Brosnan certainly could have done Fleming's Casino Royale.

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Matt S wrote:

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Brosnan definitely could not have done the same Casino Royale that Craig did because of the changes made for the film.

But Brosnan certainly could have done Fleming's Casino Royale.

Unfortunately they were making the filmic Casino Royale which meant Brosnan had to go.

They were rebooting Bond. They were starting at the beginning. Brosnan was on his way out when they decided to update Casino Royale. He could not have coped with the scenes as well as Craig did..

Luckily they decided to go with the filmic version which worked. If we had continued with Brosnan we'd have had DAD in a casino. They were never going to do a literary version of CR.

Wishful thinking

1. For Your Eyes Only      2. The Living Daylights    3 From Russia with Love  4. Casino Royale  5. OHMSS  6. Skyfall

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broadshoulder wrote:
Matt S wrote:

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Brosnan definitely could not have done the same Casino Royale that Craig did because of the changes made for the film.

But Brosnan certainly could have done Fleming's Casino Royale.

Unfortunately they were making the filmic Casino Royale which meant Brosnan had to go.

They were rebooting Bond. They were starting at the beginning. in with the new. Brosnan was on his way out when they decided to update Casino Royale. He could not have coped with the scenes as well as Craig did..

Luckily they decided to go with the filmic version which worked. If we had continued with Brosnan we'd have had DAD in a casino. They were never going to do a literary version of CR.

Wishful thinking

Did you pay attention to the title of this thread?

I do think it's unfortunate that we will probably never get another close Fleming adaptation like FRWL or OHMSS.

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Matt S wrote:
broadshoulder wrote:
Matt S wrote:

[
Brosnan definitely could not have done the same Casino Royale that Craig did because of the changes made for the film.

But Brosnan certainly could have done Fleming's Casino Royale.

Unfortunately they were making the filmic Casino Royale which meant Brosnan had to go.

They were rebooting Bond. They were starting at the beginning. in with the new. Brosnan was on his way out when they decided to update Casino Royale. He could not have coped with the scenes as well as Craig did..

Luckily they decided to go with the filmic version which worked. If we had continued with Brosnan we'd have had DAD in a casino. They were never going to do a literary version of CR.

Wishful thinking

Did you pay attention to the title of this thread?

I do think it's unfortunate that we will probably never get another close Fleming adaptation like FRWL or OHMSS.

No, we won't. Casino Royale is as Fleming as your going to get...

1. For Your Eyes Only      2. The Living Daylights    3 From Russia with Love  4. Casino Royale  5. OHMSS  6. Skyfall

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broadshoulder wrote:
Matt S wrote:
broadshoulder wrote:

Unfortunately they were making the filmic Casino Royale which meant Brosnan had to go.

They were rebooting Bond. They were starting at the beginning. in with the new. Brosnan was on his way out when they decided to update Casino Royale. He could not have coped with the scenes as well as Craig did..

Luckily they decided to go with the filmic version which worked. If we had continued with Brosnan we'd have had DAD in a casino. They were never going to do a literary version of CR.

Wishful thinking

Did you pay attention to the title of this thread?

I do think it's unfortunate that we will probably never get another close Fleming adaptation like FRWL or OHMSS.

No, we won't. Casino Royale is as Fleming as your going to get...

But I'm still allowed to pitch in this thread what I thought could have made a good film. That's what this thread is for.

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Octopussy (1970) starring George Lazenby.

M informs Bond that a number of Secret Service employees, including 004, have dropped out of straight society and entered the hippie subculture, before disappearing without trace. Bond, still reeling from Tracy's death, is only too happy to take on the assignment and get away from routine work. Investigating 004's paperwork in his abandoned flat, Bond discovers frequent references to "cosmic Charlie", which he assumes to be a potent form of cocaine or possibly a new designer hallucinogenic.

With few other leads, he travels to Corsica to see Marc-Ange Draco, who has suffered a nervous breakdown and has handed control of the Union Corse to his deputy while he attempts to recover from his loss. Draco informs him that he has also lost agents in the same way and tells him that he believes Cosmic Charlie is a person rather than a drug — a beautiful woman who acts as a siren for the psychedelic lifestyle and encourages high-ranking civil servants and other prominent members of straight society to abandon their former lives. Draco suggests that Cosmic Charlie mainly recruits at high-end resorts in the Caribbean and suggests Bond goes there.

Bond travels to the Caribbean under an alias, growing out his hair and beard, and lives the life of a beach bum, going from resort to resort until he meets Cosmic Charlie. Although her appearance has changed drastically, he suspects that she in fact Maria Freudenstein, a Secret Service agent who disappeared after M began investigating claims that she was a double agent for SPECTRE, who paid for her services via rigged auctions of Fabergé collectibles at Sotheby's.

Cosmic Charlie tells Bond that the new hallucinogenic of choice is Octopussy — a drug derived from the skin secretions of an octopus. Bond is persuaded to try a tiny amount of the drug and has an incredibly vivid trip in which he throttles Blofeld bare-handed amid a maelstrom of psychedelic lights.

Charlie tries to persuade him to join a psychedelic cult operating out of San Francisco and Bond agrees, suspecting that this is how 004 and the other agents were ensnared. After experiencing San Francisco's psychedelic culture and music, Charlie takes him to the cult's headquarters and promises to introduce him to the cult leader — Major Dexter Smythe, a former war hero who faked his own death, turned on, tuned in and dropped out after being implicated in a murder involving Nazi gold.

When he is introduced to Dexter Smythe, Bond realises that he is none other than Blofeld — the real Dexter Smythe having committed suicide years earlier, Blofeld has been impersonating him and he and Freudenstein have been brainwashing former Secret Service agents from around the world with the aim of unleashing them on their former handlers.

Blofeld initially fails to recognise the long-haired, bearded Bond, but Bond attacks him instantly. Blofeld flees into the "psychedelic room" — a bizarre space filled with deafening music, pulsing strobe lights and special effects, which Blofeld uses to depersonalise and brainwash the new cult members. Bond begins to throttle Blofeld, but instantly has a flashback to his identical acid trip, allowing Blofeld to escape.

Bond pursues him through the hippie complex, eventually cornering him in the giant aquarium where octopuses are bred for their secretions. A violent fight ensues, during which many of the tanks are smashed, ending when Bond savagely whips Blofeld to death with a stingray tail. We freeze on him, covered in blood and maddened with rage, with his long straggly hair and matted bushy beard.

Finally, we cut to Bond in a barber's chair, having the last vestiges of his long hair and beard removed. Looking very smart in a pinstripe suit, Bond calls Draco and says, "It's time to go back to work." Draco replies "I agree", and we cut to him, now back to his normal self. The film ends with Draco leaving the sanitarium where he has been recovering and returning to his former life.

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Manxman wrote:

Octopussy (1970) starring George Lazenby.

M informs Bond that a number of Secret Service employees, including 004, have dropped out of straight society and entered the hippie subculture, before disappearing without trace. Bond, still reeling from Tracy's death, is only too happy to take on the assignment and get away from routine work. Investigating 004's paperwork in his abandoned flat, Bond discovers frequent references to "cosmic Charlie", which he assumes to be a potent form of cocaine or possibly a new designer hallucinogenic.

With few other leads, he travels to Corsica to see Marc-Ange Draco, who has suffered a nervous breakdown and has handed control of the Union Corse to his deputy while he attempts to recover from his loss. Draco informs him that he has also lost agents in the same way and tells him that he believes Cosmic Charlie is a person rather than a drug — a beautiful woman who acts as a siren for the psychedelic lifestyle and encourages high-ranking civil servants and other prominent members of straight society to abandon their former lives. Draco suggests that Cosmic Charlie mainly recruits at high-end resorts in the Caribbean and suggests Bond goes there.

Bond travels to the Caribbean under an alias, growing out his hair and beard, and lives the life of a beach bum, going from resort to resort until he meets Cosmic Charlie. Although her appearance has changed drastically, he suspects that she in fact Maria Freudenstein, a Secret Service agent who disappeared after M began investigating claims that she was a double agent for SPECTRE, who paid for her services via rigged auctions of Fabergé collectibles at Sotheby's.

Cosmic Charlie tells Bond that the new hallucinogenic of choice is Octopussy — a drug derived from the skin secretions of an octopus. Bond is persuaded to try a tiny amount of the drug and has an incredibly vivid trip in which he throttles Blofeld bare-handed amid a maelstrom of psychedelic lights.

Charlie tries to persuade him to join a psychedelic cult operating out of San Francisco and Bond agrees, suspecting that this is how 004 and the other agents were ensnared. After experiencing San Francisco's psychedelic culture and music, Charlie takes him to the cult's headquarters and promises to introduce him to the cult leader — Major Dexter Smythe, a former war hero who faked his own death, turned on, tuned in and dropped out after being implicated in a murder involving Nazi gold.

When he is introduced to Dexter Smythe, Bond realises that he is none other than Blofeld — the real Dexter Smythe having committed suicide years earlier, Blofeld has been impersonating him and he and Freudenstein have been brainwashing former Secret Service agents from around the world with the aim of unleashing them on their former handlers.

Blofeld initially fails to recognise the long-haired, bearded Bond, but Bond attacks him instantly. Blofeld flees into the "psychedelic room" — a bizarre space filled with deafening music, pulsing strobe lights and special effects, which Blofeld uses to depersonalise and brainwash the new cult members. Bond begins to throttle Blofeld, but instantly has a flashback to his identical acid trip, allowing Blofeld to escape.

Bond pursues him through the hippie complex, eventually cornering him in the giant aquarium where octopuses are bred for their secretions. A violent fight ensues, during which many of the tanks are smashed, ending when Bond savagely whips Blofeld to death with a stingray tail. We freeze on him, covered in blood and maddened with rage, with his long straggly hair and matted bushy beard.

Finally, we cut to Bond in a barber's chair, having the last vestiges of his long hair and beard removed. Looking very smart in a pinstripe suit, Bond calls Draco and says, "It's time to go back to work." Draco replies "I agree", and we cut to him, now back to his normal self. The film ends with Draco leaving the sanitarium where he has been recovering and returning to his former life.

This is great, Manxman! A lot of thought put into it! Any casting proposals?

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Dalton's third and fourth outings:
1991 - The Property Of A Lady
1993 - Colonel Sun

1 - Avtak, 2 - Op, 3 - Ltk, 4 - Lald, 5 - Fyeo, 6 - Ohmss, 7 - Sf, 8 - Dn, 9 - Ge, 10 - Daf, 11 - Tmwtgg, 12 - Tswlm, 13 - Mr, 14 - Tld, 15 - Yolt, 16 - Sp, 17 - Gf, 18 - Frwl, 19 - Dad, 20 - Qos, 21 - Tnd, 22 - Twine, 23 - Tb, 24 - Cr

1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby

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Title: Secret Services

Year: 2002

Plot:
When Bond (Pierce Brosnan) is captured by a man known as SHATTERHAND (Anthony Hopkins), he is presumed dead. However, a year later, Bond returns to Mi6 and attempts to kill M. He is arrested and interrogated, where it turns out he had his memory wiped and was told he was working for SHATTERHAND and sent undercover as James Bond to kill M. After he has had his memory jogged over a period of a few months, Bond is almost back to normal, and is assessed on wether he can return to the field.

When he doesn't pass, he leaves London and heads to Turkey, where he meets a former friend of Zuckovsky, looking for leads on SHATTERHAND. He learns Zuckovsky had some run ins with a mysterious organisation, also learning Renard was a founding member of this organisation, and that a CIA agent had visited Zuckovsky's friend a week earlier.

Bond heads to Cuba, where he meets another old friend for information; Jack Wade, who has been investigating the organisation. Bond learns that SHATTERHAND was rumoured to have a base in the Swiss Alps, but Wade is killed by a sniper during their meeting. Bond pursues the sniper on foot, eventually leading to Bond killing the sniper, and retrieves a very familiar object; a SPECTRE ring.

Bond goes back to London to report, and demands to take the field test again. He passes the test and meets Q (John Cleese) and picks up his car; his DB5, retro fitted with gadgets such as laser tire cutters and missiles behind the headlights, whilst keeping some of the iconic gadgets (including the ejector seat).

Bond heads to the Alps and meets a french spy; Mrs Nena Masters (Michelle Pfieffer). The two are chased in the DB5, with BOnd taking the other cars out. The two share a dinner together, flirting and falling for each other. The next day, the two going skiing through the mountains, looking for the base. They are attacked by gyro copters, with the chas ending with Nena being sent off a cliff, with Bind skiing of after her, saving her and opening his parachute. The two ar picked up by a helicopter and taken to the base, where we finally meet SHATTERHAND.

He invites the two to dinner, where he tells Bond all about Bond's period of working for him, and when Bond attempts to kill him, he is knocked out and wakes up in an electric chair. Bond is tortured until he is set free by Nena, and she tells him SHATTERHAND is preparing to fire a nuclear missile into London. Bond battles his way through to the missile control room and aborts the missile before it is launched, but SHATTERHAND escapes in a helicopter.

Bond and Nena leave Switzerland by train, where SHATTERHAND returns and attempts to kill Nena whilst he puts a henchman into a fight with Bond. The scene goes back and forth between Bond fighting the henchman and SHATTERHAND holding a gun to Nena, talking about how she betrayed him. Bond and the henchman crash through into the compartment where Nena and SHATTERHAND are, with SHATTERHAND shooting at Bond, only for Bond to use the henchman to protect him. SHATTERHAND has been knocked to the floor, stabbed several time s by shards of glass when Bknd crashed through. SHATTERHAND reveals Nena's true identity; his wife, Nena Blofeld, daughter of ESB. SHATTERHAND dies from his injuries. Nena admits that she restarted the SPECTRE organisation, with the help of he husband and Renard, and stopped her husband and freed Bond to stop her husband from firing the missile. Bond asks why, and she says that she did not want to kill her fellow SPECTRE agents in Mi6. She tells Bond she has a vendetta against Mi6 as they did not protect her from her father and recalls how she was tortured by him for revealing that he was still alive after the events of DAF. Nena prepares to shoot Bond, but he kicks the gun out of her hand; Bond grabs the gun and shoots her in the head.

Bond returns to his apartment in London, where he finds M. M tells him Mi6 has been torn apart, and she takes him to a safe house where we find Moneypenny and Q. Bond has a final joke on the state of Mi6, and the credits roll.

1.LTK  2.AVTAK  3.OP  4.FYEO  5.TND  6.LALD  7.GE  8.GF  9.TSWLM  10.SPECTRE  11.SF  12.MR 13.YOLT  14.TLD  15.CR (06)  16.TMWTGG  17.TB  18.FRWL  19.TWINE  20.OHMSS  21.DAF  22.DAD  23.QoS  24.NSNA  25.DN  26.CR (67)

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The Man with the Golden Gun
Directed by Peter Hunt
Starring: George Lazenby (James Bond), Jack Palance (Francisco Scaramanga), Catherine Deneuve (Vivienne Michel)
Year: 1971

After the murder his wife, Tracy, Bond begins to let his life slide and is a depressed man. Planning to dismiss him, M however gives him a last-chance opportunity to redeem himself by killing Francisco Scaramanga, an assassin believed to have killed several British agents. After retrieving a spent golden bullet and tracking its manufacturer to Macau, Bond locates Scaramanga in Thailand and meets his mistress, Vivienne Michel, who begs him to help her escape her lover.

While Bond becomes a man of action bent on revenge, he learns that Scaramanga is involved in a hotel development on an Asian island with a group of investors that consists of former members of SPECTRE. Discovered by Scaramanga, Bond is used as a target by the assassin who releases him on the island before hunting him. At the end of a pistol duel, Bond outwits and kills Scaramanga. Before leaving the island with Vivienne Michel, Bond learns where to find Blofeld.