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Although I was impressed with how Ethan Hunt  escaped from his interrogation.
I don't know  if that was Tom or a Stunt double, but I was amazed  ajb007/martini  whoever
it was, he was very fit.

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zaphod99 wrote:
Thunderpussy wrote:

As much as I enjoy the MI films, I'm not emotionally connected to them. They
Are simply good action flicks  ajb007/smile  Where with Bond, because he was a boyhood
Hero of mine, I feel a connection with the films.

I don't think it's just because of our long history with the character. Ethan seems little more than a Cipher. I have seen all of the MI films apart from Rogue Nation and neither know or care about him. I don't know what motivates him, what he fears, or even what he likes. The films are enjoyable enough, but pale by comparison in my view. Does anyone know if there is a similar site for MI where aficionados endlessly debate, scrutinise, argue and Lobby ? I'll have butchers and feedback...

You're right that he's not a particularly special character. That's where Bond succeeds. For a few years, most people on the street were talking about how much better Bourne was than Bond. Still, Bourne does not have the countless fan sites that Bond has.

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Correct me if in wrong but I guess escapism comes into it 100% and at the end of the day as the old saying goes "men want to be Bond". 

Bond is a lady magnet (Bourne certainly isn't and Cruise lusts for his wife in the later films if I remember correctly)

Bond more Stylish (certainly more then Bourne - Hunt more of the moment fashion wise)

Bond more affiliated with luxury in all forms - cars, hotels, drink, food, clothes

Simply he is the man!!!

Now im not saying which films are better etc but Bond will always be bigger!!!

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welshboy78 wrote:

Correct me if in wrong but I guess escapism comes into it 100% and at the end of the day as the old saying goes "men want to be Bond". 

Bond is a lady magnet (Bourne certainly isn't and Cruise lusts for his wife in the later films if I remember correctly)

Bond more Stylish (certainly more then Bourne - Hunt more of the moment fashion wise)

Bond more affiliated with luxury in all forms - cars, hotels, drink, food, clothes

Simply he is the man!!!

Now im not saying which films are better etc but Bond will always be bigger!!!

Bond has those things over Hunt and Bourne for certain. Bourne is a more interesting character than Hunt. But Bond's characteristics make him appealing in addition to being special.

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I have to say I was really impressed with Rogue Nation, definitely one of the best MI films by a long way. 
I'm not sure if it was coincidence but I felt both Rogue Nation and SPECTRE shared a lot of elements as well as locations: Morocco, Blenheim Palace and Austria.
Bond and Ethan are both Rogue but what I didn't like about SPECTRE was the need to have M, Moneypenny and Tanner in the field, a bit like the IMF team.
The two films had great opening sequences.
Anyway, both good films but completely different styles and takes on similar subjects. I like both but my preference is always bond.

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I have to admit I enjoyed Rogue Nation at the time but cant remember much apart from the intro and opera sequence!!! 

Now im getting worried as I cant even remember where the hell I saw it!!!

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I think bond pretty much created this genre of film. And certainly Robert Ludlow was inspired by Fleming. Three great movie franchises and totally different in many ways to me. But bond is the daddy (IMHO) I just get so much more interest out of the bond films, I can't remember what gun ethan hunt  has or any of his outfits tbh tho did enjoy the film.

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I think Rogue Nation wins thus round for me. Having said that if Spectre were 15-20 minutes shorter it would have been a lot closer.

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Rouge Nation seems worth checking out though. It will have to be on TV or Blur-Ray as its long gone from UK cinema screens I think.

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zaphod99 wrote:

Rouge Nation seems worth checking out though. It will have to be on TV or Blur-Ray as its long gone from UK cinema screens I think.

Came out on dvd and streaming in UK yesterday.

It was either that.....or the priesthood

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Speaking of spy movies, look what just wrapped up filming here in DC this week?

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Cool  ajb007/cheers

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ArcticArsenal wrote:

Although M:I franchise is no Bond, I'm giving this to Rogue Nation cause it's just a fun thrill ride while Spectre just felt boring compared to Craig's other Bond films imo (I know many on here disagree, but CR and SF were way better films).

For me, The fight scene in the Opera House in Austria was better then anything in Spectre, that tension was unbelieveable. Just imagine Craig having that scene in Spectre. Rebecca Ferguson, even putting Michelle Yeoh to shame, along with Charlize Theron, it's been a great year for kick ass female action leads and she is the reason I loved Rogue Nation. I loved Sean Harris Villain, plus they didn't kill him off was great. The Scene in the underwater tank out Bond even Bond top stunts. The car chase after was great as well.

That's the first thing myself and my brother said after the first screening of Spectre, "it's no Rogue Nation". I was shocked at how good that film was. Spectre isn't bad it's a solid film.

Yes Rebecca Fergusson (anglo-swedish actress)  was great as the two-timing femme fatale in MI-Rogue Nation.
I saw 5 action films in the summer Terminator etc.) and before Bond I rated it my favourite Film of 2015-for the action and
a good story.     It was a non-stop rollercoaster.
Spectre is good with the return of traditional Bond elements-like the Gunbarrel at the start of the film.
I've followed the film locations for a year on the mi6-hq news website, so knew what was coming.
I gave Spectre 8/10 (will never be as good as the 1960s films).
I think MI gives the best thrills and action.  So I'm torn as I'm a long time Bond film fan.

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Keeping an eye out for spoilers here now, as I haven't seen the latest M:I yet  ajb007/crap

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Loeffelholz wrote:

Keeping an eye out for spoilers here now, as I haven't seen the latest M:I yet  ajb007/crap

Of course I will be buying it as soon as it comes out. I haven't seen it yet either, but I do enjoy Tom's unerringly goody-two-shoes Hunt quite a bit.

But he ain't Bond. ajb007/cool

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chrisisall wrote:
Loeffelholz wrote:

Keeping an eye out for spoilers here now, as I haven't seen the latest M:I yet  ajb007/crap

Of course I will be buying it as soon as it comes out. I haven't seen it yet either, but I do enjoy Tom's unerringly goody-two-shoes Hunt quite a bit.

But he ain't Bond. ajb007/cool

Righto  ajb007/cheers  He's one of a number of talented offspring.

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I enjoyed Rogue Nation much more than Spectre. Similar plots and locations, but MI5 had a better script, better action, tighter editing, and a superior leading lady.

Yes, MI5 is not Bond, but then again Die Another Day and Moonraker are Bond, so that argument means little to me.

There were a lot of spy-themed movies this year, and quite frankly Spectre fared poorly against most of them. My ranking:

1) Kingsman.
2) MI: Rogue Nation
3) Spy
4) Spectre
5) Man from UNCLE

Yes, Spectre even ranked below a Melissa McCarthy comedy for me, and I usually hate Melissa McCarthy movies. Spectre just barely beat Man from Uncle. I'll have to watch Man from Uncle again to see if it moves ahead of Spectre.

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So, MI:Rogue Nation has better music, better editing, more amazing stunts & chases, way cooler crazy gadgets & more energy than SPECTRE.
That said, I like SP a bit better just for its overall tone & restraint. Let Hunt have the big giant stunts! Bond is more subtly impressive. And remember, Bond stunts were big during the 80's & 90's- the best Bonds don't rely on stunts to sell the story.
MI:RN is great for what it is, and I'll be revisiting it regularly, but Bond is closer to being a real human being to me than Hunt, and that matters.

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Rogue Nation = Great!!
Spectre = Good

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DevilMayCare007 wrote:

Rogue Nation = Great!!
Spectre = Great.

Fixed that for ya! ajb007/lol

Okay, seriously, RN was a pretty nearly perfect movie given the tone they set for it.
SP was clearly imperfect on many levels, but overall, I thrill to Bond movies more than Hunt ones for the simple fact that Tom's character is flawless in moral character AND physical prowess. A great director like the one on RN can distract you from the 'Superman' thing well enough, but make no mistake- MI movies are Tom playing the role of the righter of wrongs, and the saviour of the day (along with his worshiping crew).
Imperfection and improvisation are at the heart of the Bond character, and no Mission: Impossible movie can trump Bond at his best (or even pretty good-est) IMO.

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I think we tend to be much more hyper critical and disect Bond films much more than others...but we like them better because they are Bond films. ajb007/martini

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chrisisall wrote:
DevilMayCare007 wrote:

Rogue Nation = Great!!
Spectre = Great.

Fixed that for ya! ajb007/lol

Okay, seriously, RN was a pretty nearly perfect movie given the tone they set for it.
SP was clearly imperfect on many levels, but overall, I thrill to Bond movies more than Hunt ones for the simple fact that Tom's character is flawless in moral character AND physical prowess. A great director like the one on RN can distract you from the 'Superman' thing well enough, but make no mistake- MI movies are Tom playing the role of the righter of wrongs, and the saviour of the day (along with his worshiping crew).
Imperfection and improvisation are at the heart of the Bond character, and no Mission: Impossible movie can trump Bond at his best (or even pretty good-est) IMO.

Totally agree...but I can't wait to check out RN  ajb007/cheers

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Loeffelholz wrote:

I can't wait to check out RN  ajb007/cheers

I can't wait to hear your MI: RN comparison to SPECTRE.

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In the 90s, MI and MI2 were vastly superior to any of Brosnan's. In the 00s-10s, CR and SF were clearly superior to the MI franchise and QoS and SP are below both Ghost Protocol and Rogue Nation which I truly enjoyed.

By the way, Rogue Nation has a scene  that reminded me a lot of TLD. Might be a coincidence but who knows.

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Virgil37 wrote:

QoS and SP are below both Ghost Protocol and Rogue Nation which I truly enjoyed.

They were both very slick and very well made... but I just like Bond better.

Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool. Craig is too.
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