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Virgil37 wrote:

In the 90s, MI and MI2 were vastly superior to any of Brosnan's. In the 00s-10s, CR and SF were clearly superior to the MI franchise and QoS and SP are below both Ghost Protocol and Rogue Nation which I truly enjoyed.

By the way, Rogue Nation has a scene  that reminded me a lot of TLD. Might be a coincidence but who knows.


MI was nowhere near Bond movies at the time. MI2 was vasty improved and almost as watchable.

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Jag wrote:

MI2 was vasty improved and almost as watchable.

MI2 is my favourite because it's mindless fun. ajb007/biggrin

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I enjoyed MI1 but disliked 2 & 3, I thought 4 & 5 were brilliant.

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Thunderpussy wrote:

I enjoyed MI1 but disliked 2 & 3, I thought 4 & 5 were brilliant.

YOU are not a TRUE MI fan!!! ajb007/mad  ajb007/mad  ajb007/mad

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M:I - Great spy thriller, but not a film you watch over and over again.
M:I 2 - Fun to watch every once in a while, but it is a bit bland.
M:I 3 - Weakest of them, doesn't feel remotely like an M:I film.
M:I 4 - Great fun, cool gadgets and the first M:I film I would say that was like a Bond film.
M:I 5 - The best, it's M:I 4 but better, more outrageous stunts, more humour, more action.

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MilleniumForce wrote:

M:I - Great spy thriller, but not a film you watch over and over again.
M:I 2 - Fun to watch every once in a while, but it is a bit bland.
M:I 3 - Weakest of them, doesn't feel remotely like an M:I film.
M:I 4 - Great fun, cool gadgets and the first M:I film I would say that was like a Bond film.
M:I 5 - The best, it's M:I 4 but better, more outrageous stunts, more humour, more action.

A fair assessment I'd say.

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That's basically  my list too. ajb007/wink
The real problem for the MI series, is when Tom leaves saying " Never again"
Will they be able to find an Australian  actor to replace him ?  ajb007/biggrin

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Thunderpussy wrote:

That's basically  my list too. ajb007/wink
The real problem for the MI series, is when Tom leaves saying " Never again"
Will they be able to find an Australian  actor to replace him ?  ajb007/biggrin

He will die before giving up that role. ajb007/wink

Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool. Craig is too.
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He might die, playing the role  ajb007/lol  if he keeps doing the stunts. ajb007/wink

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MilleniumForce wrote:

M:I - Great spy thriller, but not a film you watch over and over again.
M:I 2 - Fun to watch every once in a while, but it is a bit bland.
M:I 3 - Weakest of them, doesn't feel remotely like an M:I film.
M:I 4 - Great fun, cool gadgets and the first M:I film I would say that was like a Bond film.
M:I 5 - The best, it's M:I 4 but better, more outrageous stunts, more humour, more action.

I didn't notice MI2 was bland. In fact, it's hard for me to notice anything in that movie apart from Thandie Newton! She would be perfect for a bond movie too.

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Jag wrote:
MilleniumForce wrote:

M:I - Great spy thriller, but not a film you watch over and over again.
M:I 2 - Fun to watch every once in a while, but it is a bit bland.
M:I 3 - Weakest of them, doesn't feel remotely like an M:I film.
M:I 4 - Great fun, cool gadgets and the first M:I film I would say that was like a Bond film.
M:I 5 - The best, it's M:I 4 but better, more outrageous stunts, more humour, more action.

I didn't notice MI2 was bland. In fact, it's hard for me to notice anything in that movie apart from Thandie Newton! She would be perfect for a bond movie too.

I've actually enjoyed them all, except for RN which I hope to catch very soon ajb007/wink

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MilleniumForce wrote:

M:I - Great spy thriller, but not a film you watch over and over again.
M:I 2 - Fun to watch every once in a while, but it is a bit bland.
M:I 3 - Weakest of them, doesn't feel remotely like an M:I film.
M:I 4 - Great fun, cool gadgets and the first M:I film I would say that was like a Bond film.
M:I 5 - The best, it's M:I 4 but better, more outrageous stunts, more humour, more action.

I agree with your assessment of M:I 4 and M:I 5.

I hated M:I when I first saw it. Whatever it was it wasn't Mission Impossible and was a kick in the teeth to fans of the original series. It left such a sour taste in my mouth I still haven't seen 2 or 3, not that the reviews for those films made me want to run out and see them.

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To answer the original question of the thread, after 2 viewings of both films I was much more impressed with Rogue Nation than I was with Spectre. Maybe partly because my expectations were naturally higher for Spectre, but Mostly it has to be that Rogue Nation was just a much more entertaining movie. It was exciting all the way through and flies by, where Spectre drags and feels every bit of it's over 2 and a half hour running time.

As far as the franchises go as a whole, we are on a James Bond fan forum, of course most of us appreciate the Bond series more. I would say that the Mission Impossible series has a better batting average than the Bond series, but the best M:I films just can't hold a candle to the best Bonds. I do love all of the M:I movies excluding the second one, garbage in my eyes, I cringe every time I catch some of it on TV.

I thought Kingsman was better than either, but I honestly doubt they would be unable to duplicate what made Kingsman great once they do the sequel and do not think it will make an enduring franchise.

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I found RN very watchable (albeit I saw it on a plane....) and the story felt stronger and more cohesive to me than Spectre did.  I liked Spectre (seen it twice so far) but it felt very disjointed and didn't quite deliver for me, story didn't really flow in my opinion.

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Did you watch it from inside the plane, or through the window
While hanging on outside ?  ajb007/biggrin

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Thunderpussy wrote:

Did you watch it from inside the plane, or through the window
While hanging on outside ?  ajb007/biggrin

I was hanging on the outside waiting for my field tech support to open the door.  Once in, got it all sorted quickly; helped the crew 'out', whacked on the autopilot and then found the in flight movies. Bar service was a bit slow but that's what you get with stolen military cargo planes....

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ajb007/lol  .... That's Ryanair for you.  ajb007/wink

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Thunderpussy wrote:

He might die, playing the role  ajb007/lol  if he keeps doing the stunts. ajb007/wink

He nearly did during the free diving shoot.  He impressively managed to train himself to the level of real free-divers, but was doing too much action underwater during one shoot and actually passed out for real underwater.  Kudos to him for committing to the role so well.

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On, I've nothing but respect for him in what he does in the stunt work and
How much time he spends with his fans at premieres  ajb007/martini

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Religious lunacy aside, he is a thoroughly nice and grounded bloke.

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Thunderpussy wrote:

ajb007/lol  .... That's Ryanair for you.  ajb007/wink

Should have read what 'speedy boarding' actually involved......... ajb007/rolleyes

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ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol  ajb007/martini

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Jag wrote:

MI was nowhere near Bond movies at the time. MI2 was vasty improved and almost as watchable.

Yes, the first Mission: Impossible was far better than the Brosnan films. M:I2 was poor.

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Rogue Nation is better than Spectre for action and suspense, but both films suffer from unsatisfying climaxes that, curiously, are set within a mile or two of each other.

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blame_thatcher wrote:

the first Mission: Impossible was far better than the Brosnan films. M:I2 was poor.

The first one made the second one possible. When Hunt was blown onto the train I was like, "Ohhhh, so we're on THAT level now, okaaaaaay." At least MI:2 started & stayed there.
The Brosnan's were Action-coated Bonds, but still Bonds at the center, and therefore BETTER. ajb007/lol

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