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besides Brosnan's Bonds being far superior; I think M:I-2 was the best out of the franchise

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HatThrowingHenchman wrote:

besides Brosnan's Bonds being far superior; I think M:I-2 was the best out of the franchise

I'd substitute "most entertaining" for "best" there, but yeah- we see pretty eye-to-eye here. ajb007/cheers

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Just watched RN. It was very good indeed.As a series of  set pieces  it generated  more tension and suspense than SP. What really impressed me was the quality and credibility of the female lead. There was also much more evident chemistry and justification for the relationship. I still don't know much or care about Ethan Hunt, but had to hand it to the team responsible for delivering  a high quality actioner. I had heard that the stunts and set pieces were first rate, but did not expect the plot twists. Dialogue was little more than perfunctory, and like SP it was a little too long. The car and motorcycle stuff was genuinely exciting  and made SP look tame by comparison. Oh and there was also cool toys.

Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.

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Honestly speaking, I've totally forgotten what Rogue Nation was about. Then again I've only seen it once whereas I've seen Spectre thrice now.. Haha..

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imranbecks wrote:

Honestly speaking, I've totally forgotten what Rogue Nation was about. Then again I've only seen it once whereas I've seen Spectre thrice now.. Haha..


It's really is a series of set pieces strung together, but strung together in a pacy and inventive way. I suspect that the problem with SP is that I do recall what it is about, and  wish I didn't as the narrative is weak.it's no more than a fun romp at best, at worst it's a fun romp without the fun and with delusions of grandeur. I saw it again very recently and it unravels before my eyes. I want to like it, so I won't watch it again for sometime. I doubt that I'll ever watch RN again, but remember it more fondly due to its pizzazz.
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Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.

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Just saw Rogue Nation over the holiday, and I'm sad to say that it was superior to Spectre in nearly every way. From the stunts to the music - and even the plot - Rogue Nation was the better film.

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Oddly over the years the big stunts, although fun don't hold my interest as much as the
Performance of the actors in situations during the story. So I prefer Spectre as I think
they had the better cast and performance.  ( only my opinion )  ajb007/smile

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Thunderpussy wrote:

Oddly over the years the big stunts, although fun don't hold my interest as much as the
Performance of the actors in situations during the story. So I prefer Spectre as I think
they had the better cast and performance.  ( only my opinion )  ajb007/smile

I agree that Spectre had a better cast, but I don't think it translated into better performances. Specifically, I think Waltz and Seydoux were flat in comparison with Rebecca Ferguson and Sean Harris (as the leading lady and villain, respectively). This is the chief weakness of Spectre, in my opinion. I'm not sure whether it was down to the writers, the director, or both.

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when I first saw a pic of the villain of RN I thought it was Tom Cruise with a but of make-up  ajb007/lol

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Miles Messervy wrote:
Thunderpussy wrote:

Oddly over the years the big stunts, although fun don't hold my interest as much as the
Performance of the actors in situations during the story. So I prefer Spectre as I think
they had the better cast and performance.  ( only my opinion )  ajb007/smile

I agree that Spectre had a better cast, but I don't think it translated into better performances. Specifically, I think Waltz and Seydoux were flat in comparison with Rebecca Ferguson and Sean Harris (as the leading lady and villain, respectively). This is the chief weakness of Spectre, in my opinion. I'm not sure whether it was down to the writers, the director, or both.

I also think that Rebecca Ferguson was terrific, a very credible counterpart, whip smart, highly capable in field craft,and an intriguing character. Sean Harris also generated significantly more menace than the bored looking Waltz. Dialogue was better in SP, but only just, and I care about Bond a lot more than Hunt. I think because I don't care as much about MI I was able to enjoy it more. I had not spent the last three years anticipating it, and the MI franchise does not ask/require me to take it seriously rather than it being better as such (if that makes any sense) just my humble opinion of course, not a fact, state of nature or an ideology  ajb007/wink

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An opinion you stated so well, and that's a Fact !  ajb007/biggrin

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ajb007/cheers

Thunderpussy wrote:

An opinion you stated so well, and that's a Fact !  ajb007/biggrin

Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.

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Hunt held his breath too long. ajb007/shifty

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MI:Ghost Protocol, did make me catch my breath at one point.
When Tom after climbing up the skyscraper, falls. I did actually
Gasp, with an intake of breath  ajb007/biggrin  it' a long time since  a movie
made me do that.

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Thunderpussy wrote:

MI:Ghost Protocol, did make me catch my breath at one point.
When Tom after climbing up the skyscraper, falls. I did actually
Gasp, with an intake of breath  ajb007/biggrin  it' a long time since  a movie
made me do that.

Knowing he did it for real was a big plus. But I have to admit I wasn't fond of the sticky gloves thing. The least they could have done to sugar coat that nonsense was make a full-on Spider-man joke.... ajb007/biggrin

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Rogue Nation is objectively a better movie than SPECTRE. I wanted to love SPECTRE but it just did very little for me, which is a real shame.

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Rogue Nation was good. I enjoyed SPECTRE much, much, more. Real simple, for me a good Bond film always trumps MI. Bottom line, I enjoyed Rogue Nation, might catch it again when it hits HBO or Showtime. SPECTRE I've seen twice and will buy the Blu Ray. There's nothing objective about it for me. There's an emotional attachment to Bond. For me, the gunbarrel and PTS are more enjoyable than some other entire films.  It's why when a Bond film is not up to snuff we get very hypercritical and when it's good we love it. ajb007/martini

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Agreed, Itoo feel a Bond with Bond ( see what I did there)  ajb007/wink  I enjoy the MI films but I
Love the JB films.  ajb007/martini

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chrisisall wrote:
Jag wrote:

MI2 was vasty improved and almost as watchable.

MI2 is my favourite because it's mindless fun. ajb007/biggrin

MI2 is amazing. It's as dumb as TND, but with an actual script  ajb007/biggrin

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Jag wrote:
Virgil37 wrote:

In the 90s, MI and MI2 were vastly superior to any of Brosnan's. In the 00s-10s, CR and SF were clearly superior to the MI franchise and QoS and SP are below both Ghost Protocol and Rogue Nation which I truly enjoyed.

By the way, Rogue Nation has a scene  that reminded me a lot of TLD. Might be a coincidence but who knows.


MI was nowhere near Bond movies at the time. MI2 was vasty improved and almost as watchable.

MI is actually a very good movie, but it should be. Brian de Palma runs circles around any Bond director with the possible exception of Sam Mendes.

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Virgil37 wrote:

  Brian de Palma runs circles around any Bond director with the possible exception of Sam Mendes.

Less drugs, dude... ajb007/lol

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It's quite bizarre how the MI movies have changed in tone, MI was relatively dark, mi2 was radically different, mi3 seems to be the most disliked and the last 2 have followed a formula, and all with the same actor! Bond films seem to get a lot more criticism when the tone or formula are changed.

It was either that.....or the priesthood

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because MI (as good as they are) can't measure up to Bond and don't have such a fanbase

"You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"

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Quite true hth, Ive enjoyed the MI films but have such a long standing attachment to bond nothing else compares really. I think it's the sheer timescale that brings bond out in front.

It was either that.....or the priesthood

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I don't think it's the timescale alone, Bond is bigger on every scale ( the stunts were too untl MI:4 came around), Bond has even more famous actors and as you said, runs now successfully for 53 years.  ajb007/smile

"You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"