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I disagree. I think he actually has lived there for awhile and it is very Bondian of him to never be totally unpacked and unorganized.

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Though the scene was brief, being a fan of Fleming's novels I was very satisfied that the Mendes team went to all the trouble of finding a Regency building and flat that was as close to the one Fleming had described as they could.  Granted, it wasn't it Chelsea, but I had no problem with that.  Since they didn't say where it was in the film, it could still fictionally be there, even though it's not in reality.

Having him not totally moved in and unpacked made sense and reinforced the reality of his life at that moment.  In fact, as much as I was looking forward to it, Mendes and the writers and actors did such a good job that when it finally came I was surprised at how natural it came across.  Though new to audiences, to me it seemed to suit Bond perfectly and I liked that they did not make any fuss over it.  Doing it at night just added to the atmosphere and even comforting feeling that if portrayed despite the ramifications of what the scene was about.  Even though he was alone, he seemed at home on the sofa in his robe and though they could have perhaps written it in such a way that Moneypenny wasn't in the scene, it was better that she was.  Visiting him "off duty" and at his home made it more real and personal for me and just added that much more weight and character to them.

I've studied a still of the room and noticed the painting on the floor by the fireplace.  It's a portrait of a horse - not recognizable at first as the painting is on it's side.  I wonder if anyone will ever be able to identify it.  It looks a bit like a Stubbs, but the detail is a little to fuzzy for me to be certain.

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I may be misremembering but I'm fairly certain that when Moneypenny comes to see Bond at his flat that we see a whisky glass either in his hand or on a counter/table.

If so has anyone identified the make of it?

Pussy Galore: “My name is Pussy Galore.”
Bond: “I must be dreaming.”

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Enjoying Death wrote:

I may be misremembering but I'm fairly certain that when Moneypenny comes to see Bond at his flat that we see a whisky glass either in his hand or on a counter/table.

If so has anyone identified the make of it?

Macallan 18 Year Old  ajb007/martini  It was identified in the trailer. He has the bottle on the table and the glass on the floor, which he picks up after he starts playing the message from M.

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MrZareba wrote:
Enjoying Death wrote:

I may be misremembering but I'm fairly certain that when Moneypenny comes to see Bond at his flat that we see a whisky glass either in his hand or on a counter/table.

If so has anyone identified the make of it?

Macallan 18 Year Old  ajb007/martini  It was identified in the trailer. He has the bottle on the table and the glass on the floor, which he picks up after he starts playing the message from M.

It's the glass people want, not the drink!

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Matt S wrote:
MrZareba wrote:
Enjoying Death wrote:

I may be misremembering but I'm fairly certain that when Moneypenny comes to see Bond at his flat that we see a whisky glass either in his hand or on a counter/table.

If so has anyone identified the make of it?

Macallan 18 Year Old  ajb007/martini  It was identified in the trailer. He has the bottle on the table and the glass on the floor, which he picks up after he starts playing the message from M.

It's the glass people want, not the drink!

Correct. It's the whisky glass I'm interested in.  ajb007/martini

Pussy Galore: “My name is Pussy Galore.”
Bond: “I must be dreaming.”

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Enjoying Death wrote:
Matt S wrote:
MrZareba wrote:

Macallan 18 Year Old  ajb007/martini  It was identified in the trailer. He has the bottle on the table and the glass on the floor, which he picks up after he starts playing the message from M.

It's the glass people want, not the drink!

Correct. It's the whisky glass I'm interested in.  ajb007/martini

You just had to make it difficult, didn't you ajb007/wink

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My first posting.
I thought I would come with a hint on the item by the fireplace left pillar.
I think its a radio of som sort, maybe a bose speaker.
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and by the tv it looks like a camera on the left hand side?

and by the pictures behind the sofa it looks like a briefcase, possibly from swaine brigg.
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I just noticed tonight while watching Spectre again, there are what seem to be two wine glasses on the kitchen counter behind Moneypenny with some red wine still in them. Was Bond entertaining?

Also on that same counter appears to be a whisky glass similar to what Bond is drinking out of. Any high-res images available?

Pussy Galore: “My name is Pussy Galore.”
Bond: “I must be dreaming.”

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Enjoying Death wrote:

I just noticed tonight while watching Spectre again, there are what seem to be two wine glasses on the kitchen counter behind Moneypenny with some red wine still in them. Was Bond entertaining?

Also on that same counter appears to be a whisky glass similar to what Bond is drinking out of. Any high-res images available?

Considering the way Bond is dressed (partially undressed from his office suit), he couldn't have been entertaining that evening. He would have changed his clothes that he wore during the day. My guess it that Bond had guests a day or two earlier and hadn't washed the glasses yet. It's pretty clear from the way he keeps his flat that he's a slob when keeping his place put-together.

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In an earlier draft of the script, (and maybe in the initial shoot - remember the flat scene was reshot) there was a girl in his bedroom waiting for him. Later in the script it was revealed that she was leaking info to SPECTRE. That was all excised.

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Now that would have been good to have kept in.

I wonder if she would have been called Helena Marksbury?

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CmdrAtticus wrote:

I've studied a still of the room and noticed the painting on the floor by the fireplace.  It's a portrait of a horse - not recognizable at first as the painting is on it's side.  I wonder if anyone will ever be able to identify it.  It looks a bit like a Stubbs, but the detail is a little to fuzzy for me to be certain.

I'm going for a Munnings.

Any other bits and bobs from the flat identified yet?

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Matt S wrote:
Enjoying Death wrote:

I just noticed tonight while watching Spectre again, there are what seem to be two wine glasses on the kitchen counter behind Moneypenny with some red wine still in them. Was Bond entertaining?

Also on that same counter appears to be a whisky glass similar to what Bond is drinking out of. Any high-res images available?

Considering the way Bond is dressed (partially undressed from his office suit), he couldn't have been entertaining that evening. He would have changed his clothes that he wore during the day. My guess it that Bond had guests a day or two earlier and hadn't washed the glasses yet. It's pretty clear from the way he keeps his flat that he's a slob when keeping his place put-together.

Don't see it as the flat of a slob (no half empty Pizza boxes or evident detritus) but of someone who is not overly concerned with their surroundings. I was surprised that he had Television. It is in keeping with Fleming's vision of 'a dull man' Craig Bond has no fun at all and the flat is in keeping, it's Spartan and joyless. I was really pleased to see it as I had been wondering what it would be like.

Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.

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I think the wine glasses were a carry-over from the way the scene was originally written. Wasn’t there a draft where Bond has a women there with him when Penny arrived and that women turned out to be a SPECTRE agaent? Was that scene actually filmed? I see the the wine glasses as an error, not a sign that Bond is slovenly. The flat is unfinished, but is not unclean.

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zaphod99 wrote:
Matt S wrote:
Enjoying Death wrote:

I just noticed tonight while watching Spectre again, there are what seem to be two wine glasses on the kitchen counter behind Moneypenny with some red wine still in them. Was Bond entertaining?

Also on that same counter appears to be a whisky glass similar to what Bond is drinking out of. Any high-res images available?

Considering the way Bond is dressed (partially undressed from his office suit), he couldn't have been entertaining that evening. He would have changed his clothes that he wore during the day. My guess it that Bond had guests a day or two earlier and hadn't washed the glasses yet. It's pretty clear from the way he keeps his flat that he's a slob when keeping his place put-together.

Don't see it as the flat of a slob (no half empty Pizza boxes or evident detritus) but of someone who is not overly concerned with their surroundings. I was surprised that he had Television. It is in keeping with Fleming's vision of 'a dull man' Craig Bond has no fun at all and the flat is in keeping, it's Spartan and joyless. I was really pleased to see it as I had been wondering what it would be like.

Yes, someone detached from owning or putting any care into selecting household belongings ... he lives for the mission; not interested in collecting things or even familiar people unless they support his mission. Well ... perhaps an exotic car.

The nature of a true assassin ... makes the character more edgey.

Seems logical

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There's a part of me that thinks these scenes provide fans/viewers a tabula rasa and allows them to put forth their own projections... good way to engage those watching... especially Bond fans.

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CmdrAtticus wrote:

Though the scene was brief, being a fan of Fleming's novels I was very satisfied that the Mendes team went to all the trouble of finding a Regency building and flat that was as close to the one Fleming had described as they could.  Granted, it wasn't it Chelsea, but I had no problem with that.  Since they didn't say where it was in the film, it could still fictionally be there, even though it's not in reality.

Agree.

Although later on in the film, when M is pressuring Q for Bond's location, Q lies that he's got him tracked in Chelsea. Using Chelsea as a location perhaps makes it more convincing to M, as he knows that's where he lives?

I think we can just choose in our own minds whether he's living in Chelsea, Knotting Hill or anywhere else.

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Moneypenny asks Bond if he's just moved in, he's confused by this question and answers "no."

I simply love this reaction from Bond. This shows you just how alien he is to the average person. Remember that when Casino Royale came out they really laid on the idea of him being less spy, more assassin. Craig's Bond was SAS and later on an executioner for MI6. He's in perfect physical condition and is a killing machine. Bond essentially doesn't know what a home is. In Casino Royale Bond even tells Vesper that he has no idea what an honest living is. He was joking but I bet there's a lot of truth to that. I'm sure if he had never joined the military he still would have turned out to be an adrenaline junkie of some kind.

From his flat in Spectre, I gather Craig's Bond is almost never home. And when he is, he only cares to have the bare necessities. This shows you his militaristic mind set. Bond simply does not care about anything remotely decorative unless it hold sentimental value you to him. The most important thing in the flat is most likely his "go bag" for whenever he gets called to be on the other side of the world at any given moment.

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AtomJayeSmithe wrote:

Moneypenny asks Bond if he's just moved in, he's confused by this question and answers "no."

I simply love this reaction from Bond. This shows you just how alien he is to the average person. Remember that when Casino Royale came out they really laid on the idea of him being less spy, more assassin. Craig's Bond was SAS and later on an executioner for MI6. He's in perfect physical condition and is a killing machine. Bond essentially doesn't know what a home is. In Casino Royale Bond even tells Vesper that he has no idea what an honest living is. He was joking but I bet there's a lot of truth to that. I'm sure if he had never joined the military he still would have turned out to be an adrenaline junkie of some kind.

From his flat in Spectre, I gather Craig's Bond is almost never home. And when he is, he only cares to have the bare necessities. This shows you his militaristic mind set. Bond simply does not care about anything remotely decorative unless it hold sentimental value you to him. The most important thing in the flat is most likely his "go bag" for whenever he gets called to be on the other side of the world at any given moment.

At the beginning of SF they thought he was dead, put his belongings in to storage ? SPECTRE is set directly after SF, so maybe most of his stuff is still in storage  ajb007/martini

***One day at a time***

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Didn’t M say in Skyfall that they had sold his flat? If so then this would be a new home for him I would have thought.

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ichaice wrote:

Didn’t M say in Skyfall that they had sold his flat? If so then this would be a new home for him I would have thought.

I think it's clear that this is his new abode.

Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.

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who sold his flat? MI6? was it theirs to sell?
at least they put his stuff in storage, instead of the landlord dumping it in the street.
were they trying to contact next-of-kin? did they know about Skyfall and Albert Finney, and hadn't got hold of him yet, or were they just holding on to it for potentially ever until some one else showed up and claimed it?
(imagine an episode of Storage Wars, where someone bids successfully on the contents of the storage locker and opens it up and its all James Bonds stuff. Expensive liquor, fine towels, gadgets, and innocuous looking objects rigged to self-destruct. That's make a good spin-off adventure!)

which reminds me, Fleming-wise, between YOLT and tMwtGG, what happened to bookBond's flat and all his stuff? I don't recall any mention of it once he got back, he just tries to shoot M and is rewarded with a mission to Jamaica straightaway. Maybe he'd converted to communism and no longer cared?

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I just hope the Russians and SPECTRE have been told of Bond's move. Otherwise the poor people who
bought it, could be in for a world of trouble. ajb007/biggrin

"Let his death be a particularly unpleasant and humiliating one."