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The use of the Bond theme at the end of "detonation" is really the only time I think the score has an air of energy, excitement and fun. The lead up to it though is generic and forgettable like most of the score.

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Matt S wrote:
SilentSpy wrote:
Matt S wrote:

Next to GoldenEye, Spectre has a more old-school sound. Next to anything David Arnold wrote it does not. It's basically in the same style as Skyfall's score with the same amount of old-school nods. The composing style is still as far from Barry as can be.

A lot of David Arnold's music was in your face Bond action music to me. Which for Pierce Brosnan's Bond was probably the type of music needed as there were so many action moments. David Arnold's best was from Casino Royale. Also I like the work he did in The World is not Enough.

But with Spectre, a lot of the music seemed to help with the old school feel and at times look of the movie. It's not perfect John Barry. But when taken as a whole with everything else. It's pretty good. And it's the first soundtrack I've purchased since Die Another Day. Which I got that just for the action beats.

For me, Newman's music took away from the old-school feel of the music and had me wondering when they would do so many old-school things in the film whilst having music so far removed from it. And it really took away from the look of the film because it didn't at all match what was on screen.

Your post and the others have me curious if my dislike of Skyfall and only watching that movie once completely made me appreciate the music more in Spectre. From the beginning I thought the music and how it was used was good. I love that scene when Bond notices and takes the Spectre ring in the helicopter. I don't know. Maybe I'll rewatch Skyfall when I get time and compare the music and how it was used in both.

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SilentSpy wrote:
Matt S wrote:
SilentSpy wrote:

A lot of David Arnold's music was in your face Bond action music to me. Which for Pierce Brosnan's Bond was probably the type of music needed as there were so many action moments. David Arnold's best was from Casino Royale. Also I like the work he did in The World is not Enough.

But with Spectre, a lot of the music seemed to help with the old school feel and at times look of the movie. It's not perfect John Barry. But when taken as a whole with everything else. It's pretty good. And it's the first soundtrack I've purchased since Die Another Day. Which I got that just for the action beats.

For me, Newman's music took away from the old-school feel of the music and had me wondering when they would do so many old-school things in the film whilst having music so far removed from it. And it really took away from the look of the film because it didn't at all match what was on screen.

Your post and the others have me curious if my dislike of Skyfall and only watching that movie once completely made me appreciate the music more in Spectre. From the beginning I thought the music and how it was used was good. I love that scene when Bond notices and takes the Spectre ring in the helicopter. I don't know. Maybe I'll rewatch Skyfall when I get time and compare the music and how it was used in both.

The music is very similar in both films and used in a very similar (poor) way.

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In the case of Spectre, the music didn't ruin the film for me, I enjoyed the film very much but, I was distracted every time a cue from Skyfall came up. It took me out of the movie and just bugged me.

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IMHO both SF and SP suffer from the lack of David Arnold and I hope that he returns for Bond 25.

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Barbel wrote:

IMHO both SF and SP suffer from the lack of David Arnold and I hope that he returns for Bond 25.

I 100% Agree.

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SilentSpy wrote:
Matt S wrote:
SilentSpy wrote:

I didn't say completely old school Bond. But more old school as in compared to a lot of the recent Bond movies. Casino Royale was like that too. I don't think anyone will come close to John Barry though. Michael Giacchino probably did the best for The Incredibles. But that's probably because they wanted John Barry for that movie originally.

Next to GoldenEye, Spectre has a more old-school sound. Next to anything David Arnold wrote it does not. It's basically in the same style as Skyfall's score with the same amount of old-school nods. The composing style is still as far from Barry as can be.

A lot of David Arnold's music was in your face Bond action music to me. Which for Pierce Brosnan's Bond was probably the type of music needed as there were so many action moments. David Arnold's best was from Casino Royale. Also I like the work he did in The World is not Enough.

While I'm in the minority who prefers Arnold to the overrated Newman, both of Newman's efforts in the Bond series are superior to CR's score. But Arnold's TND, TWINE, DAD and QOS are much better - all IMO, of course.

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MarcAngeDraco wrote:
SilentSpy wrote:
Matt S wrote:

Next to GoldenEye, Spectre has a more old-school sound. Next to anything David Arnold wrote it does not. It's basically in the same style as Skyfall's score with the same amount of old-school nods. The composing style is still as far from Barry as can be.

A lot of David Arnold's music was in your face Bond action music to me. Which for Pierce Brosnan's Bond was probably the type of music needed as there were so many action moments. David Arnold's best was from Casino Royale. Also I like the work he did in The World is not Enough.

While I'm in the minority who prefers Arnold to the overrated Newman, both of Newman's efforts in the Bond series are superior to CR's score. But Arnold's TND, TWINE, DAD and QOS are much better - all IMO, of course.

What do you think is so awful about CR's score? I don't think it's one of Arnold's best, but to prefer Newman's scores over it is quite the insult.

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I find it to be the blandest of Bond scores. Sure there are a couple of good tracks, but it's not very melodic or interesting as a whole. The first minute of Blunt Instrument feels incredibly dull and sterile and Miami International seems like a bunch of knee-jerk reactions to whats happening on screen. Of course they're only two examples, and when compared to something like Shanghai Drive, Tennyson or Someone Usually Dies from SF, or Vauxhall Bridge, Hinx or The Eternal City in SP, they doesn't hold up.

Of course, I prefer Helicopter Ride, Body Double, Torture Queen, Access Denied, Kiss of Life, Hamburg Break In and Inside Man to name but a few. Very atmospheric, Bondian sounding cues.

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I liked CR soundtrack, it has vigour and Arnold employs so many more layers than Newman, African rundown is a great track, I like the simple piano cues used around Vesper and Arnold uses the horn section well, punctuating the score with Barry-esque blasts. Newmans use of the horns and brass remind me of colliery band, Wonderful in context but a bit amiss in a bond film.

It was either that.....or the priesthood

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Chriscoop wrote:

Newmans use of the horns and brass remind me of colliery band

You mean, it's the pits?  ajb007/biggrin

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ajb007/lol

It was either that.....or the priesthood