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Topic: Blofeld Behind Everything Actually Helps Skyfall Make Some Sense

To me, Skyfall's still a stupid movie.  I didn't think as much early on, but the more I see it, the stupider it gets.  It's entertaining and sentimental, but it's plot is just dumb and derivative.  I enjoy it the way I do Star Wars, which is just not to think too much about it.

Oddly enough, though some critics slammed Spectre's plot, it actually helps to make Skyfall's dopey plot make more sense.

For instance, Skyfall required an enormous suspension of disbelief to believe that Silva could pull off all the machinations of his scheme, some of which appeared to rely on completely random events.  But not if Blofeld was really calling the shots with some earlier version of Nine Eyes, watching every move MI6 was making and giving Silva updates in real time.  In the film, we're led to believe that Silva is essentially already doing this.  But Spectre suggests -- and that's the problem, as it only just suggests -- that Blofeld is really the one behind it all.

Now, the issue is there is nothing dramatic onscreen to support this except one or two flimsy lines by Blofeld. A better film -- heck, a B movie from the 60s -- would have had Blofeld take Bond to one of those many, many TV screens in his lair and play back sequences from Skfyall, showing Bond and the audience just how he did it. He would have reference White, Le Chiffre,Vesper, Green, and Silva. Then, once the gravity of what's happened has sunk in to Bond, he could have twisted the knife by showing Madeline her father's demise. It would have been tense and dramatic and also filled in the blanks without a cheesy throwaway line.

But these are writers who don't seem to understand the bricks need mortar to keep them together.  They think that barely mentioning something and letting the audience imagine the rest happening off screen is all that is needed.

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I dont like the idea of SPECTRE being behind Casino Royale / QoS And Skyfall i.e. everything DC has done so far

I think its a bit too much, would rather it had been just Quantum.   

Not sure why but I  see Silva as his own man rather then a member

Last edited by welshboy78 (29th Feb 2016 20:06)

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I agree Gassy, suddenly Skyfall seems less randomly idiotic. And that's a good thing.

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welshboy78 wrote:

I dont like the idea of SPECTRE being behind Casino Royale / QoS And Skyfall i.e. everything DC has done so far

I think its a bit too much, would rather it had been just maybe been Quantum.   

Not sure why but I see kind of see Silva as his own man rather then a member

I agree -- it's all too contrived.  But it does have the benefit, to me, of making Skyfall's lapses in logic make a little more sense.

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chrisisall wrote:

I agree Gassy, suddenly Skyfall seems less randomly idiotic. And that's a good thing.

It puts more of a framework around the nonsense -- but, it's also a missed opportunity to actually do something onscreen dramatically with the idea.

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I don't see how anything could make Skyfall's idiotic script better.
If anything Skyfall is even worse a re-watch after seeing Spectre.
Spectre showed me what greatness could have been in 2012.

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It is a dumb story, but mostly because the plot lacks logical cohesion.  Spectre provides some of that missing cohesion, though it didn't go far enough to make it work, in my humble opinion.

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Every little bit helps... ajb007/lol

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ajb007/cheers

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Skyfall's "back to business" ending was so good with the resumption of Q, Tanner, M and Moneypenny that I feel Spectre missed the opportunity. Spectre maintains more of the same political and inward focus that Skyfall gets dragged down with.

But yes, considering that Blofeld is behind some of the events contained in all of the last few movies does help with the cohesion and general reveal of "what's behind this" - similar to the linking of Mr White through CR/QoS.

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The problem is they want to serialize the Craig adventures.  That's just a bad idea.  They can be loosely connected, like the classic Bonds, but the idea that they are somehow all just one big story is better suited for a TV show.  This is why they are painting themselves into a corner creatively and struggling to somehow make it all tie together.  But Skyfall had such a stupid, illogical story, the only way to make it rationale is to say there's a whole missing architecture responsible for it:  Spectre.

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Gassy Man wrote:

It is a dumb story, but mostly because the plot lacks logical cohesion.  Spectre provides some of that missing cohesion, though it didn't go far enough to make it work, in my humble opinion.

I think it struggles to get beyond a clunky retcon personally. I can almost hear the script meeting where they came up with it " guys, guys, now that  we can use Spectre again I've come up with a way that we can get out of some of this mess we have got ourselves into .  It was all part of a plan all along! We can tie up loose ends, use Spectre and make it look like we had a plan all along. Perfect " ajb007/wink

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ajb007/cheers

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welshboy78 wrote:

I dont like the idea of SPECTRE being behind Casino Royale / QoS And Skyfall i.e. everything DC has done so far

I think its a bit too much, would rather it had been just Quantum.   

Not sure why but I  see Silva as his own man rather then a member

I agree with this, I much prefer to think that Silva was acting on his own and shoehorning Spectre into everything was ridiculous, I prefer SF to be a standalone adventure opposed to the other three films.

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Yeah think would have def been better if:

Silva / Skyfall on its own

and maybe Blofeld should have been a Quantum member but overthrowed the leadership (hence killing Mr White) and turning it into SPECTRE (unless that of course is what actually occured but not clarified)

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welshboy78 wrote:

Yeah think would have def been better if:

Silva / Skyfall on its own

and maybe Blofeld should have been a Quantum member but overthrowed the leadership (hence killing Mr White) and turning it into SPECTRE (unless that of course is what actually occured but not clarified)

That's not what happened because Blofeld was behind everything and implied he was more important than Mr White. I gathered that Mr White was on the level of Denbigh and in charge of his big projects. But I would have preferred what you describe and that Blofeld was not behind everything else in the previous three films.

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Mr White actually clarifies Matt's point in his discussion with bond when he says, he followed him as far as he could. Silva does work much better on his own as he is driven by his need for revenge on m, I don't think his character would be subordinate to Blofeld.

It was either that.....or the priesthood

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Blofeld discovered Silva & his hatred for Bond's beloved M and greased his wheels, so to speak, as a kindred spirit... ajb007/shifty

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Chriscoop wrote:

Silva does work much better on his own as he is driven by his need for revenge on m, I don't think his character would be subordinate to Blofeld.

Blofeld must have hired Silva because of his desire to get revenge on M, since M is close to Bond.

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chrisisall wrote:

Blofeld discovered Silva & his hatred for Bond's beloved M and greased his wheels, so to speak, as a kindred spirit... ajb007/shifty

Don't you think having Blofeld behind Silva kinda lessens Silvas character?

It was either that.....or the priesthood

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Chriscoop wrote:
chrisisall wrote:

Blofeld discovered Silva & his hatred for Bond's beloved M and greased his wheels, so to speak, as a kindred spirit... ajb007/shifty

Don't you think having Blofeld behind Silva kinda lessens Silvas character?

No.

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chrisisall wrote:
Chriscoop wrote:
chrisisall wrote:

Blofeld discovered Silva & his hatred for Bond's beloved M and greased his wheels, so to speak, as a kindred spirit... ajb007/shifty

Don't you think having Blofeld behind Silva kinda lessens Silvas character?

No.

ajb007/lol care to expand on that Chris?

It was either that.....or the priesthood

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Chriscoop wrote:

ajb007/lol care to expand on that Chris?

Oh, sorry! ajb007/lol

Look, Silva clearly had help from what I would guess to be mercs, and I always wondered how he paid for them or why they associated with him (he being an obvious nutball)- now I don't.
Silva remains the same to me; it's the behind the scenes logistics that have changed a bit.

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chrisisall wrote:
Chriscoop wrote:

ajb007/lol care to expand on that Chris?

Oh, sorry! ajb007/lol

Look, Silva clearly had help from what I would guess to be mercs, and I always wondered how he paid for them or why they associated with him (he being an obvious nutball)- now I don't.
Silva remains the same to me; it's the behind the scenes logistics that have changed a bit.

Silva sold his trade to the highest bidder,  manipulating stock markets etc as he explains to bond, Obviously mercs will work for anyone how pays well. Its because Silva is such a madman and so driven by a personal issue that he at least is at odds with the whole Blofeld behind everything idea. Maybe Blofeld just told bond this to wind him up?

It was either that.....or the priesthood

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Chriscoop wrote:
chrisisall wrote:
Chriscoop wrote:

ajb007/lol care to expand on that Chris?

Oh, sorry! ajb007/lol

Look, Silva clearly had help from what I would guess to be mercs, and I always wondered how he paid for them or why they associated with him (he being an obvious nutball)- now I don't.
Silva remains the same to me; it's the behind the scenes logistics that have changed a bit.

Silva sold his trade to the highest bidder,  manipulating stock markets etc as he explains to bond, Obviously mercs will work for anyone how pays well. Its because Silva is such a madman and so driven by a personal issue that he at least is at odds with the whole Blofeld behind everything idea. Maybe Blofeld just told bond this to wind him up?

I think Blofeld used Silva's personal issues to his advantage. Blofeld and Silva have a lot in common since both are driven by revenge. Blofeld is probably more of a madman than Silva, since Silva actually has reasons for wanting revenge.