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I wish I knew someone  with 84 inches ,  " oh, er! Missus  "  ajb007/biggrin

it must have looked fantastic on such a screen.  ajb007/martini

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

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I certainly enjoy SPECTRE much more then Skyfall which I think is good but def overrated

I would prob rate the DC era as:

1) Casino Royale
2) SPECTRE
3) QOS
4) SkyFall

PS - talking of ratings whats happened to him who rates everything ajb007/smile ?

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He Ranked himself off.  ajb007/wink  ....... to somewhere  else.

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

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At the risk of repeating myself I place the blame squarely on the script. As with SF & to a lesser extent QoS the writers have become lazy, placing emphasis on cinematics above story. That anyone can take the bare bones of what has the potential to be a good story & do nothing to exploit it to it's fullest advantage is again indicative of this laziness.

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BTW someone mentioned why it took me five months to watch Spectre. I pointed this out elsewhere. The fact is I don't do Cinemas. I bought the DVD upon it's release.

Unless there is a seismic shift away from what has become the pattern for the films It will be the last new Bond film I will watch.

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Obviously not a bond film fan

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lotus wrote:

Obviously not a bond film fan

Not a fan of how the new films are being written.

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My wife " Doesn't  do Cinema" either, as she falls asleep
( and doesn't  like it when I leave her there )  ajb007/wink

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

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Thunderpussy wrote:

My wife " Doesn't  do Cinema" either, as she falls asleep
( and doesn't  like it when I leave her there )  ajb007/wink

ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol

Time to bow out Stag.

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I actually nodded off when Bond & Swann got on the train!

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The following article presents an interesting perspective. Of course not everyone will agree with it but I subscribe to some of its main points.

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news … 109?page=3

I just want Bond to work but sadly for me he isn't.

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I do see where that article is coming from, and like you agree with some of its points- but am confident that this is just a phase in the series which it will recover from, and that we'll have stand-alone adventures back soon.

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SP answered questions that nobody was asking. QOS brought up the question of the Quantum organisation, but it didn't emphasise the question enough. And then SF forgot about it. They did a horrible job linking the films. The connections in SP to the previous films feel too much like an afterthought. The films don't work together well at all. That said, I think SP is the most enjoyable Bond film since LTK. The past 8 films have all had big problems.

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Barbel wrote:

I do see where that article is coming from, and like you agree with some of its points- but am confident that this is just a phase in the series which it will recover from, and that we'll have stand-alone adventures back soon.

I do hope so. IMO all Craig needs is a really good story.

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stag wrote:
Barbel wrote:

I do see where that article is coming from, and like you agree with some of its points- but am confident that this is just a phase in the series which it will recover from, and that we'll have stand-alone adventures back soon.

I do hope so. IMO all Craig needs is a really good story.

Well they really haven't used much of Moonraker beyond the names...

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stag wrote:

Frankly I wasn't expecting much so therefore wasn't all that disappointed. Being first & foremost a fan of the literary Bond (IFs Bond) I shall resign myself to reading & watching the vintage films - up to & including LTK.

I think the problem some die hard literary Bond/ IFs Bond fans have is not fully being willing to accept that cinematic Bond in the end of the day is a entirely different character than what Fleming originally envisioned. Because the movies have gotten a life of their own. While, I do feel Ian Fleming character should always be cherished, and be viewed as the ultimate source of Bond. And I should also say I highly appreciate any small references in the movies back to Fleming. (Mentioning Bond's parents dying in a mountain climbing accident, him being an orphan, the "He disagreed with something that ate him" note in LTK, Bond and a girl being strapped behind a boat and rushed through the reef in FYEO etc etc..)

But ultimately, even those vintage Bond movies from long ago eventually got a life of their  own and went far far away from Fleming, it's not just the modern movies. You have to admit some classics like YOLT or TSWLM, have nothing to do with anything Fleming envisioned. But I consider them absolute fun masterpiece classics of cinematic Bond.  

The Craig movies to me actually brought back some nice Fleming elements too! If anything I feel they attempt to go a little bit deeper than the majority of the classic movies did. They go deeper into Bond's backstory regarding his ego, his first love Vesper, why he is the way that he is with women, his emotions, the blunt instrument aspect instead of being a super hero. It's all very Fleming, but in a "cinematic" modern Bond way. And it's actually explained why Moneypenny and Bond have the chemistry between them, and we are only left to assume something happened in Macau, but we're not shown... (Admittedly that last one is not something Fleming, but it does at least attempt to go deeper into a backstory between those two characters ) So I'm sometimes confused into reading people saying the modern movies just don't go so deep anymore. While they are honestly a lot more three dimensional in these ways than the older movies ever were.

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I can agree with that, I'd say I'm a fairly traditional fan but love the Craig films. CR is
one of my all time favourites. I didn't like  QOS, too jumpy editing and I thought, as
Alan Partridge  might say " They were getting Bond wrong !"  ajb007/lol
Although I listened to much smarter  people than me, that Craig was very close in
spirit ( if not discription ) to the Bond of the books.
  So I read the books again, and realised  that the other members had been right and I
was wrong !  ( I know that's had to believe ........ Me being wrong ? )  ajb007/biggrin
Craig ( IMHO) is playing Bond as Fleming wrote him, the Bond of the Books was not
Roger Moore. He was a much darker character, with many flaws,  and inner turmoil
Who drank and smoked too much, and used women for his pleasure. To be honest
Bond is a bit if a Bast*rd, he has to be to survive.
  All the producers have done is give him a contemporary  twist, and as you point out
expand his back story a little.

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

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There are so many Bond films now I kind of feel blessed. A couple of awesome Bonds (for ME) every few years and I am a very happy fan! SP exceeded my expectations. That's all I wanted. MI: Rogue Nation exceeded my expectations as well, and I've seen it twice compared to seven times for SP.
Dan was let loose in SP to BE Bond. For all the writing misgivings, all the plot criticism, I loved it because of DAN. Like I love LTK because of TIM. Or how I love DN because of SEAN.

Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool. Craig is too.
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I've now seen SP six times; four in the cinema and now twice on Blu-ray. There is no denying its flaws, which are more than a couple, IMO. For me, it's a bit like Craig's OP---in that fans of Sir Roger really enjoy the good bits of OP, and manage to overlook its issues (which in OP's case are admittedly more fleeting than the broader structural and storytelling challenges of SP)...but I do enjoy the good parts of it so very much that it's still easily lifted over the pre-Craig Bonds of the decade prior to his donning the tux. I don't think Craig has ever turned in an inferior or 'lacking' performance as Bond, but this one is probably on a par with QoS as far as being in the lower tier of Craig offerings beneath CR and SF, due to issues unrelated to Craig's work.

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Dutchfinger wrote:

I think the problem some die hard literary Bond/ IFs Bond fans have is not fully being willing to accept that cinematic Bond in the end of the day is a entirely different character than what Fleming originally envisioned..

I have to disagree with you there, DF: "entirely different"?

Cinematic James Bond is a secret agent (007) for the UK government, who works for a boss known as M who has a secretary called Moneypenny and a right-hand man called Bill Tanner. He's frequently sent on missions abroad where he combats rich, powerful villains and encounters beautiful women with whom he has romantic attachments (some more serious than others, though the ladies he is inclined to marry tend to have short lifespans). Often he meets US agent Felix Leiter in the course of his missions, the two's interests being similar, and they become close friends.
He has Scottish roots and his parents, Andrew and Monique Bond, died in a climbing accident while he was young and he was looked after by his aunt Charmain Bond spending some time in Kitzbuhel with a man called Hannes Oberhauser.
His job often involves killing people (his weapon of choice is a Walther PPK which on M's orders was issued to him by Major Boothroyd to replace his beloved Beretta), indeed he is licenced to do so, and he broods on this often using alcohol to excess (he has a certain recipe for vodka martini which has become rather well known). He likes to gamble, and frequently does so both in the line of duty and for relaxation. He enjoys skiing and underwater swimming.
etc etc

As I said, this is cinematic Bond but every detail above is from Fleming and can be found in the movies. Certainly there are differences (many of which are either simplifications or updatings) but the similarities speak for themselves.

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Dutchfinger wrote:
stag wrote:

Frankly I wasn't expecting much so therefore wasn't all that disappointed. Being first & foremost a fan of the literary Bond (IFs Bond) I shall resign myself to reading & watching the vintage films - up to & including LTK.

I think the problem some die hard literary Bond/ IFs Bond fans have is not fully being willing to accept that cinematic Bond in the end of the day is a entirely different character than what Fleming originally envisioned. Because the movies have gotten a life of their own. While, I do feel Ian Fleming character should always be cherished, and be viewed as the ultimate source of Bond. And I should also say I highly appreciate any small references in the movies back to Fleming. (Mentioning Bond's parents dying in a mountain climbing accident, him being an orphan, the "He disagreed with something that ate him" note in LTK, Bond and a girl being strapped behind a boat and rushed through the reef in FYEO etc etc..)

But ultimately, even those vintage Bond movies from long ago eventually got a life of their  own and went far far away from Fleming, it's not just the modern movies. You have to admit some classics like YOLT or TSWLM, have nothing to do with anything Fleming envisioned. But I consider them absolute fun masterpiece classics of cinematic Bond.  

The Craig movies to me actually brought back some nice Fleming elements too! If anything I feel they attempt to go a little bit deeper than the majority of the classic movies did. They go deeper into Bond's backstory regarding his ego, his first love Vesper, why he is the way that he is with women, his emotions, the blunt instrument aspect instead of being a super hero. It's all very Fleming, but in a "cinematic" modern Bond way. And it's actually explained why Moneypenny and Bond have the chemistry between them, and we are only left to assume something happened in Macau, but we're not shown... (Admittedly that last one is not something Fleming, but it does at least attempt to go deeper into a backstory between those two characters ) So I'm sometimes confused into reading people saying the modern movies just don't go so deep anymore. While they are honestly a lot more three dimensional in these ways than the older movies ever were.

I completely disagree. It has nothing to do with an unwilligness to accept the cinematic Bond at all & to suggest otherwise is frankly so wide of the mark as to be unworthy of further comment. I made it quite clear why I hold my point of view & that I want James Bond to have better material to work with.

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stag wrote:

BTW someone mentioned why it took me five months to watch Spectre. I pointed this out elsewhere. The fact is I don't do Cinemas. I bought the DVD upon it's release.

Unless there is a seismic shift away from what has become the pattern for the films It will be the last new Bond film I will watch.

I'm with you stag.

I only saw Spectre when it was released on DVD and now I've seen it 3 times. That's why I haven't popped into the Spectre thread until now.

I just don't enjoy the cinema anymore. There is such a short time now between cinema and DVD release that I can wait.

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Loeffelholz wrote:

I've now seen SP six times; four in the cinema and now twice on Blu-ray. There is no denying its flaws, which are more than a couple, IMO. For me, it's a bit like Craig's OP---in that fans of Sir Roger really enjoy the good bits of OP, and manage to overlook its issues (which in OP's case are admittedly more fleeting than the broader structural and storytelling challenges of SP)...but I do enjoy the good parts of it so very much that it's still easily lifted over the pre-Craig Bonds of the decade prior to his donning the tux. I don't think Craig has ever turned in an inferior or 'lacking' performance as Bond, but this one is probably on a par with QoS as far as being in the lower tier of Craig offerings beneath CR and SF, due to issues unrelated to Craig's work.

I have my 'issues' with Daniel as Bond, but agree that he is not the problem with Spectre. I think it asks a lot of us to overlook some of its worst flaws. For me it's a very sloppy overly long offering with some good elements, but disappointing overall. Not terrible, just disappointing.

Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.

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Spectre is a perfect bond film and Dan is a perfect bond

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I've seen SPECTRE twice, both times in a proper theater. To be perfectly honest, it's a different experience seeing a Bond film (or that type of film) in a proper theater. I like SPECTRE, my only problem with it is that the film tries too hard to be all things to all Bond fans...sort of a Bond's greatest hits roled into one Bond film. In some ways, the parts work better than the whole. Fortunately there are lots of good parts. Here's my snarky comment (anyone who has not seen SPECTRE in a theater, please do not take this personally I can't resist ajb007/smile)For those "Bond Fans" who are physically able,  sit your butt down in a proper theater and see the film, then we'll talk> Sorry, couldn't help myself ajb007/martini  ajb007/heart .

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