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Thunderpussy wrote:

That's only what they want you to think SM  ajb007/wink

True. Classic Soviet misinformation at work there!  ajb007/lol

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Anthony Horowitz's new Bond novel "Forever And A Day" to be published in May. Takes place before CR.

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If this is indeed a prequel to Casino Royale it will be the first non Fleming novel I will buy and read.

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More info:

http://www.jamesbondlifestyle.com/news/ … ino-royale

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Hmm, definitely keen to give that a read! I hope it goes a bit into his years in Naval Intelligence - i've always wanted to hear some stories about CMDR Bond's time in WW2.

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Definitely will get it. Looks to be quite promising!

BondJasonBond006 wrote:

If this is indeed a prequel to Casino Royale it will be the first non Fleming novel I will buy and read.

Also the reason why I'm interested on it as-well.

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I will begrudgingly admit that I’m more interested in this book now than I was before, although I’m not sure my interest is positive. I stayed away from Trigger Mortis because, after Solo, I vowed I wouldn’t read another Bond continuation novel set in the 50s/60s.

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Great title and a great premise. I thoroughly enjoyed Horowitz's last one and can't wait for this one.

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Enjoyed Trigger Mortis a lot, so am looking forward to this one.  ajb007/martini

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Miles Messervy wrote:

I will begrudgingly admit that I’m more interested in this book now than I was before, although I’m not sure my interest is positive. I stayed away from Trigger Mortis because, after Solo, I vowed I wouldn’t read another Bond continuation novel set in the 50s/60s.

Oh you're missing out. Trigger Mortis was like reading an undiscovered Fleming.

I am delighted that the release date has been moved up to May for people this side of the pond!

Great title and love the premise.

I have it preordered on iBooks already! ajb007/lol

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Did anyone else think of the "Sweets for my Sweet" song by the Searchers.
"...And my love not only lasts forever but forever and a day".  ajb007/martini
Loved Trigger Mortis. Excited for this one

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Barbel wrote:

Anthony Horowitz's new Bond novel "Forever And A Day" to be published in May. Takes place before CR.

Yes really great news-but it is published on 31st May. (which is a Thursday).

I hope Horowitz is allowed to produce a dozen books! they are the next best thing to Fleming.

cheers,  Bleuville.

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JTM wrote:

I hope it goes a bit into his years in Naval Intelligence - I've always wanted to hear some stories about CMDR Bond's time in WW2.

did you read John Pearson's James Bond: The Authorized Biography of 007? it contains many short untold adventures throughout Bond's career, lotsa stuff from the early years.

I wouldn't say Trigger Mortis was exactly like undiscovered Fleming, at least aside from the 300 words or so Fleming did write. But it was good overall, and did a clever trick of integrating genuine Fleming content and placing the new story into the logical point in Fleming's continuity. I liked it much better than the other recent one-shots, or the Gardner's I've read, so I will definitely be reading this one too.

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I was hoping in vain that they would go back to the modern day setting, but I'm excited that Horowitz is back. Curious if there is going to be a Bond Girl/love interest as this is a prequel. Not that Bond can't have flings, but his encounter with Vesper definitely changed his perspective.

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JET007 wrote:

I was hoping in vain that they would go back to the modern day setting, but I'm excited that Horowitz is back. Curious if there is going to be a Bond Girl/love interest as this is a prequel. Not that Bond can't have flings, but his encounter with Vesper definitely changed his perspective.

I think Vesper changing Bond’s perspective is a construct of the films. I see no evidence for it in Fleming’s books. Bond allows himself to fall for Vesper in Casino Royale.  But after he reads her suicide note, he reverts immediately to the cold bastard that he was for much of the novel.

I agree with you that they should go back to the modern setting (and maybe after this they will), but a lot of people here seem to be excited about another Horowitz novel, so perhaps I will give it a chance.

Welcome to AJB!  ajb007/martini

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Thank you, Sir Miles! You may be right, I'm probably projecting from watching the Craig movies recently!

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It's funny, because I much prefer the literary Bond to be set in the 50's and 60's.

In fact one of my dreams is a Netflix James Bond series, where they adapt the books in the period they are set. 2 books a season, and maybe the short stories as web extras:-) It could be the new Mad Men!

In fact I would be up for a return to the Cold War Bond in the films after Craig's run...but that will never happen:)

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JET007 wrote:

Curious if there is going to be a Bond Girl/love interest as this is a prequel. Not that Bond can't have flings, but his encounter with Vesper definitely changed his perspective.

Miles Messervy wrote:

I think Vesper changing Bond’s perspective is a construct of the films. I see no evidence for it in Fleming’s books. Bond allows himself to fall for Vesper in Casino Royale.  But after he reads her suicide note, he reverts immediately to the cold bastard that he was for much of the novel.

I think his affair with Vesper does indeed change his perspective in the books. He's got a lousy attitude to women at the start of the story, and sees Vespers only use as recreation, a reward for himself once the job is done. After the torture scene he does, as you note, fall for her hard. And when he learns the truth reacts in the coldest way possible ("bitch" reprising his very first thoughts about her at the start of the story). I think that is a kneejerk, defensive reaction, but not how he thinks of her in the long term. Some people respond to grief in an inappropriate way, and I would expect a professional government assassin especially to do so. In his line of work he's not supposed to fall for a girl, he's supposed to be cold about these things.
But in OHMSS we learn he's been returning to Royale-le-Eaux once a year to leave flowers on her grave.

His ability to relate healthily to women is part of the long story arc of the series. There's a lot of discussion as to whether a spy can afford a normal relationship in Moonraker. Choosing to do so is considered a security risk, and of course he knows he could be dead tomorrow, condemning any lifepartner to widowhood.


But that's just confirming he did fall hard for Vesper and she changed him. She was definitely not the first woman he'd been involved in (he's a man of the world, squire), and there will no doubt be a BondGirl of some sort in any prequel. I guess the challenge is can Horowitz write a relationship that is appropriate pre-Vesper? It'd have to be pretty shallow compared to what came after, and his attitude suitably prejudiced. Any sort of female-superspy-as-equal would violate continuity, as would I think any deeper romantic feelings beyond "recreation".

in the A View to a Kill short story Bond reminisces about losing his virginity. I think that's the only mention of women before Vesper in Fleming. but I recommend again Pearson's Bond Biography. There's lots of adventures with various ladyfriends prior to the events of Casino... . Pearson asserts Bond was only comfortable with other men's wives, often juggling two or three at the same time. I think Craig claims something similar in the film, which may make this the only element from Pearson's book to get adapted!

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caractacus potts wrote:

She was definitely not the first woman he'd been involved in (he's a man of the world, squire),

Say no more...  ajb007/biggrin

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caractacus potts wrote:
JET007 wrote:

Curious if there is going to be a Bond Girl/love interest as this is a prequel. Not that Bond can't have flings, but his encounter with Vesper definitely changed his perspective.

Miles Messervy wrote:

I think Vesper changing Bond’s perspective is a construct of the films. I see no evidence for it in Fleming’s books. Bond allows himself to fall for Vesper in Casino Royale.  But after he reads her suicide note, he reverts immediately to the cold bastard that he was for much of the novel.

I think his affair with Vesper does indeed change his perspective in the books. He's got a lousy attitude to women at the start of the story, and sees Vespers only use as recreation, a reward for himself once the job is done. After the torture scene he does, as you note, fall for her hard. And when he learns the truth reacts in the coldest way possible ("bitch" reprising his very first thoughts about her at the start of the story). I think that is a kneejerk, defensive reaction, but not how he thinks of her in the long term. Some people respond to grief in an inappropriate way, and I would expect a professional government assassin especially to do so. In his line of work he's not supposed to fall for a girl, he's supposed to be cold about these things.
But in OHMSS we learn he's been returning to Royale-le-Eaux once a year to leave flowers on her grave.

His ability to relate healthily to women is part of the long story arc of the series. There's a lot of discussion as to whether a spy can afford a normal relationship in Moonraker. Choosing to do so is considered a security risk, and of course he knows he could be dead tomorrow, condemning any lifepartner to widowhood.


But that's just confirming he did fall hard for Vesper and she changed him. She was definitely not the first woman he'd been involved in (he's a man of the world, squire), and there will no doubt be a BondGirl of some sort in any prequel. I guess the challenge is can Horowitz write a relationship that is appropriate pre-Vesper? It'd have to be pretty shallow compared to what came after, and his attitude suitably prejudiced. Any sort of female-superspy-as-equal would violate continuity, as would I think any deeper romantic feelings beyond "recreation".

in the A View to a Kill short story Bond reminisces about losing his virginity. I think that's the only mention of women before Vesper in Fleming. but I recommend again Pearson's Bond Biography. There's lots of adventures with various ladyfriends prior to the events of Casino... . Pearson asserts Bond was only comfortable with other men's wives, often juggling two or three at the same time. I think Craig claims something similar in the film, which may make this the only element from Pearson's book to get adapted!

Nice post. You make some very good points of which I hadn’t thought.  ajb007/martini

Regarding the married women, Deaver also made a similar claim that his Bond was juggling several married women in his rotation.

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Miles Messervy wrote:
caractacus potts wrote:
JET007 wrote:

Curious if there is going to be a Bond Girl/love interest as this is a prequel. Not that Bond can't have flings, but his encounter with Vesper definitely changed his perspective.

Miles Messervy wrote:

I think Vesper changing Bond’s perspective is a construct of the films. I see no evidence for it in Fleming’s books. Bond allows himself to fall for Vesper in Casino Royale.  But after he reads her suicide note, he reverts immediately to the cold bastard that he was for much of the novel.

I think his affair with Vesper does indeed change his perspective in the books. He's got a lousy attitude to women at the start of the story, and sees Vespers only use as recreation, a reward for himself once the job is done. After the torture scene he does, as you note, fall for her hard. And when he learns the truth reacts in the coldest way possible ("bitch" reprising his very first thoughts about her at the start of the story). I think that is a kneejerk, defensive reaction, but not how he thinks of her in the long term. Some people respond to grief in an inappropriate way, and I would expect a professional government assassin especially to do so. In his line of work he's not supposed to fall for a girl, he's supposed to be cold about these things.
But in OHMSS we learn he's been returning to Royale-le-Eaux once a year to leave flowers on her grave.

His ability to relate healthily to women is part of the long story arc of the series. There's a lot of discussion as to whether a spy can afford a normal relationship in Moonraker. Choosing to do so is considered a security risk, and of course he knows he could be dead tomorrow, condemning any lifepartner to widowhood.


But that's just confirming he did fall hard for Vesper and she changed him. She was definitely not the first woman he'd been involved in (he's a man of the world, squire), and there will no doubt be a BondGirl of some sort in any prequel. I guess the challenge is can Horowitz write a relationship that is appropriate pre-Vesper? It'd have to be pretty shallow compared to what came after, and his attitude suitably prejudiced. Any sort of female-superspy-as-equal would violate continuity, as would I think any deeper romantic feelings beyond "recreation".

in the A View to a Kill short story Bond reminisces about losing his virginity. I think that's the only mention of women before Vesper in Fleming. but I recommend again Pearson's Bond Biography. There's lots of adventures with various ladyfriends prior to the events of Casino... . Pearson asserts Bond was only comfortable with other men's wives, often juggling two or three at the same time. I think Craig claims something similar in the film, which may make this the only element from Pearson's book to get adapted!

Nice post. You make some very good points of which I hadn’t thought.  ajb007/martini

Regarding the married women, Deaver also made a similar claim that his Bond was juggling several married women in his rotation.

I believe there was a mention of Bond seeing several married women in Moonraker as well.

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Cant wait for the new novel
Trigger Mortis was a great read
the unpublished Fleming bits just add a bit more to it

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Sounds good to me and I love Bond on the French Riviera. Really enjoyed Trigger Mortis so hopeful this will deliver too.

"Any of the opposition around..?"

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caractacus potts wrote:
JTM wrote:

I hope it goes a bit into his years in Naval Intelligence - I've always wanted to hear some stories about CMDR Bond's time in WW2.

did you read John Pearson's James Bond: The Authorized Biography of 007? it contains many short untold adventures throughout Bond's career, lotsa stuff from the early years.

I haven't read that but i'll definitely give it a go! Thanks for the suggestion  ajb007/martini

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Denbigh wrote:

Cant wait for the new novel
Trigger Mortis was a great read
the unpublished Fleming bits just add a bit more to it

Hello,
I am new here and have a question regarding the unpublished Fleming material in Trigger Mortis.
Can anyone tell me which part of the story is from Fleming?
Or is this impossible to determine?