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Poor planning indeed.

Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool. Craig is too.
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.QOS 4.DN 5.GF/GE 6.SP 7.FRWL 8.TB/TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT

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Interesting that an extra is so involved in the
Budget decisions  on  so many big movies  ajb007/biggrin
I've a mate who works as an extra "GOT" for
Example and honestly he knows F@ck all about
The budget of the series.   ajb007/lol

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chrisisall wrote:

Could SPECTRE have been better? Certainly, and I could have made it so with one final re-wright.
Do I dislike it because of that? Nah, what they did get right was oh so right. I actually do love it from beginning to end.

ajb007/cheers

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Halcon wrote:
chrisisall wrote:

Could SPECTRE have been better? Certainly, and I could have made it so with one final re-wright.
Do I dislike it because of that? Nah, what they did get right was oh so right. I actually do love it from beginning to end.

ajb007/cheers

That's something I can agree with  ajb007/cheers

a reasonable rate of return

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I loved this movie when it was first released and even called it the best Daniel Craig bond movie. Now, four years later I definitely do not hold the same opinion. It just seems to get worse on every rewatch, where I point out more and more flaws than ever before.

My issues:

* Poor Bond girl
* The entire love plot between them just seems to go nowhere and they have no chemistry
* The entire character of C (I hated him the first time I saw SP)
* Its just all action but very little plot in a film that feels flat and depressing
* It should have been split into two parts with the route they went
* No real climax
* The train fight - I didn’t actually like it that much. It feels poorly made
* Bond having hardly any gadgets in that Aston Martin
* Hinx - no character development or interacting on screen with a Blofeld and did he die or not?

It’s not a bad movie, but it feels like so much was crammed in.

1. FYEO 2. OHMSS 3. TLD 4. FRWL 5. LTK 6. TSWLM 7. CR 8. OP  9. GF 10. DN 11. MR 12. SP 13. LALD 14. QOS 15. TB 16. SF 17. TMWTGG 18. GE 19. YOLT 20. AVTAK 21. TND 22. TWINE 23. DAF 24. DAD

1. Dalton 2. Connery 3. Moore 4. Craig 5. Lazenby  6. Brosnan

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Wadsy wrote:

I loved this movie when it was first released and even called it the best Daniel Craig bond movie. Now, four years later I definitely do not hold the same opinion. It just seems to get worse on every rewatch, where I point out more and more flaws than ever before.

My issues:

* Poor Bond girl
* The entire love plot between them just seems to go nowhere and they have no chemistry
* The entire character of C (I hated him the first time I saw SP)
* Its just all action but very little plot in a film that feels flat and depressing
* It should have been split into two parts with the route they went
* No real climax
* The train fight - I didn’t actually like it that much. It feels poorly made
* Bond having hardly any gadgets in that Aston Martin
* Hinx - no character development or interacting on screen with a Blofeld and did he die or not?

It’s not a bad movie, but it feels like so much was crammed in.

I am mostly agree with your opinion ...
But the first time I saw Spectre, I was so disapointed ...  ajb007/rolleyes
Now I get used to it ...  ajb007/martini

~God Judges Us by Our Scars~

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I feel like Spectre is almost a litmus test for what individuals want from a Bond movie.  If you want a series of recycled allusions to earlier Bond movies, particularly the less realistic latter ones of the Moore era, then I’d say you probably enjoyed the film very much.  Personally, I find it to be a monumental wasted opportunity.  We get the Day of the Dead sequence, which is Mendes version of the of working in some of the voodoo-esque imagery from LALD (he is on record as being a big fan of that film), Hinx is just a modernized Jaws, the most benign car chase in Bond history (they’re literally side by side in their cars looking at each other and not doing anything), we get the FRWL train fight, and last but not least Blofeld for the sake of Blofeld.  It’s just so obvious that Mendes was throwing the Bond kitchen sink into this film, plot be damned. I could almost chalk all of that up to creative license and a filmmaker wanting to make something more lighthearted if not for the egregious decision to retcon the previous three films into a ludicrous it’s-all-connected mishmash. It’s totally disrespectful to the artistic visions of Campbell and Forster, but beyond that it’s just plain lazy storytelling. Skyfall, IMHO, worked because the dip into Bond’s background felt like an interesting one-off exploration.  But Spectre, again IMHO, is definitely a case of going to the well too many times. It felt so forced that it sucked all of the enjoyment out the film for me.  I would’ve given anything for a straightforward Bond-on-a-case film in the vein of Goldfinger.  All that being said, I remain optimistic for what I’ve seen from NTTD.  The fact that Cary Fukunaga is a younger (and immensely talented) filmmaker without the generational baggage of having to serve some arbitrary notion that Bond should be ‘fun’ just because that’s what we remember from growing up gives me hope.

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When the official reveal of the films title SPECTRE was made i was already peeing my pants with excitement, my imagination was running wild with ideas about where the film could potentially go and when it was revealed that Christoph waltz was to play Blofeld my anticipation was off the scale. The reality was (IMO) a mediocre film with very few memorable moments and i include in that analysis the opening sequence, the train fight and the car chase which all failed to deliver, Bonds helicopter antics were much more exciting in the FYEO opening sequence and why load the DB10 with gadgets and not use them? Obvious comparisons can be drawn between the train scrap (meh) and the one with Red grant in FRWL (wow). I just feel that with so much competition in the action film genre that Bond should be delivering on EVERY level EVERY time and i will try not to pee my pants as we approach the release of NTTD.
Oh yeah, the thread title is Spectre-one year later, i know we're a little further on than that but for me it makes my teeth itch more with every viewing  ajb007/mad

ive smelt that aftershave before and both times ive smelt a rat

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I watched SPECTRE again last night. Five years later, and in the context of Craig coming back to do NTTD, its fairly clear in retrospect that SPECTRE was indeed intended to be Craig's last film. A generally spent, visibly older 007 gets closure regarding Blofeld, before turning his back on the spy game "Out of bullets..." and driving off into the sunset with Madeleine. With the definite sense of finality which SPECTRE brings, it'll be interesting to see what sort of ending NTTD decides to give Craig's Bond instead...

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I finally watched Spectre for the first time since its release. Took me two viewings over two evenings to get through it.

I still don't like it. EON spent 4 years to produce this dull, plodding, nonsensical waste of over two hours?

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Spectre is not a bad movie ...
Ok ... The first time I saw it in theatre, I was way beyond disappointed  ajb007/rolleyes  ...
But after 2 or 3 rewatch on BR, I saw differents elements I liked a lot ...
Some details after Skyfall I didn't noticed before.
So, It is not my favorite Bond or Craig movie as James Bond, But it is fair ...
I second the opinion it was intented to be the last Bond movie for D.C. ...
Let's see what NTTD has to show now.  ajb007/martini

~God Judges Us by Our Scars~

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Do you ever find that the initial opinion you have of a film changes considerably as you reconsider it idly over the following days? Sometimes it gets better and sometimes worse. There is a lot about SPECTRE that I liked, but as time moves on there's more about it that bothers me and my general opinion has definitely dipped since my first viewing. It was definitely way too long. It should have been so much tighter. I didn't particularly like Madelaine Swan the first time, and I really dislike the character even more now (which is the main reason I'm not overly excited by NTTD). I like Lea Seydoux a lot, but I find the character very weak. The good bits are very good, but it gets dragged down by the overall length.

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"I didn't particularly like Madelaine Swan the first time, and I really dislike the character even more now (which is the main reason I'm not overly excited by NTTD). I like Lea Seydoux a lot, but I find the character very weak."

I find the concept of Madeleine, the only person who can understand Bond because she's an assassin's daughter, intriguing, but its not particularly well executed. I hope the dynamic between Bond and Swann improves in NTTD.

Something I appreciated was the flashes of increased overt humour throughout the film, like Bond telling the henchman in the clinic to "Stay!" and Bond being served the enzyme drink. Its witty without descending into outright self-parody, as some of the knowing silliness in the Roger Moore films tends to do.