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I saw an interview with Henry Cavill in Yahoo!news this morning, which turned out to be originally from Esquire magazine, I don't think its been mentioned here yet ...
he discusses those Bond rumours
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Henry Cavill Finally Addressed Those James Bond Rumours

With the 25th Bond Film, No Time to Die, set for release in April this year, it's the last time we'll see Daniel Craig behind the wheel of the famous Aston Martin.

No Time to Die will be Craig's fifth and final outing as the agent with the double-O status, which has led to many (read: millions) of fans to speculate as to who will fill Bond's Crockett & Jones Oxfords next. One of the most popular predictions? Henry Cavill.

It's not exactly a surprising prediction. Cavill ticks all the boxes — young, British, in great physical condition and at the right point in his career to catapult himself into an iconic role. But there's one big hurdle, as Cavill addressed in a recent interview with Men's Health.

The Hollywood Reporter claimed in 2018 that Superman would be recast, following the somewhat disappointing reception and returns of Batman v Superman and Justice League, relative to Marvel’s Avengers films. Confirmation that co-star Ben Affleck would be superseded as the Dark Knight by Robert Pattinson has also been widely interpreted as kryptonite for Cavill. So, will he play Superman again?

“I can’t tell you anything concrete there,” said Cavill. “But what I can tell you is that, in reference to me, 99 per cent of what you’re reading on the internet probably isn’t right. I can’t say anything, obviously. But I very much love the character, and I am very much not walking away from it.”

The last time 007’s dinner jacket was vacated, ahead of 2006’s Casino Royale, a 22-year-old Cavill reportedly finished runner-up in the casting process, his youth cited (and, according to the casting directors, weight) as a reason for his eventual rejection. But Cavill now has age on his side (at 36, he is a year younger than Craig when he was cast), he’s well versed in fronting tent-pole movies, and he may have a Superman-sized gap in his schedule.

“With the whole Bond process, I screen-tested many, many moons ago and it was, as far as I know, down to Daniel and myself – maybe one other,” says Cavill. “I think Daniel – sorry, Mr Craig – has done an incredible job of being Bond. And if it is indeed his last one, then the playing field is open. There are no conversations just yet, but we’ll see what happens. It would be a great, fun role to play.”

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He has cursed himself mentioning it  ajb007/lol

I think he is also too obvious and we will get a surprise casting.   

I also think he looks awkward as hell in a suit as too big

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I was watching an interview with Cavill the other day, and I have changed my mind on his suitability for Bond. He had a charm that I had never seen before. Maybe he has trouble channeling that as an actor, as he's been wooden in all of the many things I've seen him in, but he has it in him to play Bond. But that doesn't matter because he'll never get the role anyway.

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Matt S wrote:

I was watching an interview with Cavill the other day, and I have changed my mind on his suitability for Bond. He had a charm that I had never seen before. Maybe he has trouble channeling that as an actor, as he's been wooden in all of the many things I've seen him in, but he has it in him to play Bond. But that doesn't matter because he'll never get the role anyway.

IMO, Cavill comes off much less wooden when he's speaking in his natural accent. Cavill has portrayed so many Americans, it's easy to forget he's British. As far as Cavill looking too big in a suite, I would imagine he would go for a much leaner, less bulky look in his training for Bond than Superman. I agree he has it in him to play Bond also......but I doubt he will be cast also. IMO, EON will go with a fresh, new face......someone not as well known and if they click in their first Bond film and it's a success, they can sign for a multi picture deal.

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OK, so we just started watching LUCIFER Season 5.  Tom Ellis has really, really bulked up his physique since the show began.  Seriously, look at how he is in S5 compared to S1 and it's a pretty amazing body transformation.

He's only 41.  I suspect that he may be vying for Bond after Craig because he's a very young looking 41 and he's got a build now to rival Craig's in CR.  Even if he's not going after the role of Bond, I bet he's thinking of his post LUCIFER career and going for something in one of the bigger franchises (like a Marvel movie, maybe), but honestly...I think he'd make for a great Bond.

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Gymkata wrote:

OK, so we just started watching LUCIFER Season 5.  Tom Ellis has really, really bulked up his physique since the show began.  Seriously, look at how he is in S5 compared to S1 and it's a pretty amazing body transformation.

He's only 41.  I suspect that he may be vying for Bond after Craig because he's a very young looking 41 and he's got a build now to rival Craig's in CR.  Even if he's not going after the role of Bond, I bet he's thinking of his post LUCIFER career and going for something in one of the bigger franchises (like a Marvel movie, maybe), but honestly...I think he'd make for a great Bond.

I agree Ellis could be a very good Bond. Build wise, he's not Craig in CR but Ellis is 6'3" and has a totally different body type than Craig.
If Ellis was bulked up like Craig in CR, he'd look bad in suites (think of what American Pro football players look like in suites). That being said, IMO, Ellis looks to be in superb shape and quite formidable. Ellis, also (as he displays in Lucifer) has that "devilish" quality ajb007/lol that would work very well for Bond. But alas, Ellis will turn 42 this fall and given that the next Bond will probably not go into production for at least another four years, I don't believe EON will pick a 46 year old for Bond.

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I agree. I think that Ellis falls in line with the literary Bond, right? I have only read Casino Royale so I could be wrong. I could be conflating how Jack Reacher is in those books and not Bond. In any event, I think Tom Ellis would be a good choice assuming he could do the physical things. I follow him on IG and he seems to have some athletic ability.

Gymkata wrote:

OK, so we just started watching LUCIFER Season 5.  Tom Ellis has really, really bulked up his physique since the show began.  Seriously, look at how he is in S5 compared to S1 and it's a pretty amazing body transformation.

He's only 41.  I suspect that he may be vying for Bond after Craig because he's a very young looking 41 and he's got a build now to rival Craig's in CR.  Even if he's not going after the role of Bond, I bet he's thinking of his post LUCIFER career and going for something in one of the bigger franchises (like a Marvel movie, maybe), but honestly...I think he'd make for a great Bond.

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I don’t subscribe to this idea that whoever plays Bond next needs to “bulk up.” I think it worked for Craig’s iteration of Bond - and I’ll concede may have been necessary given his slight stature - but it is by no means required. Bond is not a superhero. Cast a 6 ft or taller actor who is slim and athletic and there’s no need for him to look like a body builder.

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Miles Messervy wrote:

I don’t subscribe to this idea that whoever plays Bond next needs to “bulk up.” I think it worked for Craig’s iteration of Bond - and I’ll concede may have been necessary given his slight stature - but it is by no means required. Bond is not a superhero. Cast a 6 ft or taller actor who is slim and athletic and there’s no need for him to look like a body builder.

I agree with the proviso that he be convincing in action scenes. Bond doesn’t need to be a superhero but he needs to have the grace of a natural athlete.

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You need to believe that he can fight.  That was one of my major gripes with Pierce Brosnan...he was never convincing in hand to hand fights.  I'm also pretty sure that his slight build is why they turned every one of his action sequences into a bullet storm.

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Gymkata wrote:

You need to believe that he can fight.  That was one of my major gripes with Pierce Brosnan...he was never convincing in hand to hand fights.  I'm also pretty sure that his slight build is why they turned every one of his action sequences into a bullet storm.

Pierce’s hand-to-hand stuff in Goldeneye was pretty good. But yes, as he aged he did not stay particularly fit and they avoided making him fight. But Pierce was at no time less convincing as a man of action than Connery in DAF or Roger at any point. ajb007/lol

I also think that even a bulked-up Craig is a lot smaller than many people realize. They can do magical things with the camera.

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You don't need to be built like the Incredible Hulk to look good in a fight scene. It certainly helps and adds credibility to appear fit and today's audiences expect that from action heroes. What you really need, especially with Bond, is excellent fight choreography (that also reflects a high level of realism and brutality), great cinematography and a Bond actor who has the athleticism to pull it off. The bar is set very high for fight scenes in Bond films. I don't think there is a Top 10 Movie Fights list anywhere that doesn't include the train fight in FRWL.

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HowardB wrote:

You don't need to be built like the Incredible Hulk to look good in a fight scene. It certainly helps and adds credibility to appear fit and today's audiences expect that from action heroes. What you really need, especially with Bond, is excellent fight choreography (that also reflects a high level of realism and brutality), great cinematography and a Bond actor who has the athleticism to pull it off. The bar is set very high for fight scenes in Bond films. I don't think there is a Top 10 Movie Fights list anywhere that doesn't include the train fight in FRWL.

Or the Train Fight in SPECTRE or the Elevator Fight in DAF.  In all three instances, the actors (Bond and his opponents) were physically believable.

I don't need Bond to be roided out or anything, I just need him to be physically fit and look capable in a fight.  Fight choreography is important of course, but that choreography is kinda for naught if you simply can't buy that the actor is truly capable of holding his/her own against the opponents on the screen.  Roger Moore got away with this because the aims of his films didn't emphasize realism all that much.  Also, many of his fights were played for humourous effect/intent.  Brosnan, for me, did not get away with this because the films had a more serious and realistic tone to them (for the most part), so the directors wisely got away from physical fighting and emphasized gun fighting.  I mean, the fight between Bond and Stamper should have been a three second fight with Stamper victorious.

Anyways, I think that Tom Ellis...as he exists now, physically...would be amazing.  Add in his charm, good looks, and acting ability and I really think that he'd be a great fit for Bond.

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Miles Messervy wrote:

I don’t subscribe to this idea that whoever plays Bond next needs to “bulk up.” I think it worked for Craig’s iteration of Bond - and I’ll concede may have been necessary given his slight stature - but it is by no means required. Bond is not a superhero. Cast a 6 ft or taller actor who is slim and athletic and there’s no need for him to look like a body builder.

Agree. However standards and expectations of masculinity have changed and Craig is a big part of that. Over compensating like mad to be  sure but part of his legacy may be redefining the Blueprint.  Discuss.

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Gymkata wrote:

You need to believe that he can fight.  That was one of my major gripes with Pierce Brosnan...he was never convincing in hand to hand fights.  I'm also pretty sure that his slight build is why they turned every one of his action sequences into a bullet storm.

Holy cow, I never thought of that. That's a pretty good theory.

Believable in a fight while exuding cool? I'm still in the Dan Stevens camp:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGjAJzyCfjA

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My wife loves Tom Ellis, and there is no doubt the man has charm and can act. He singlehandedly carries Lucifer which would be a pretty horrible show without him.

His time may have passed though.

As for the issue of muscled-up masculinity, I think it’s highly likely the next Bond actor will feel the need to bulk up. Standards have changed.

That said, you’ve got to hand it to Pattinson for not getting massive to play Batman, a literal superhero. So it can be done that way.

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I think it's enough for a Bond actor to look lean and fit. Bond likes swimming, running and skiing. He should be buildt like an athlete in one of those sports.

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Number24 wrote:

I think it's enough for a Bond actor to look lean and fit. Bond likes swimming, running and skiing. He should be buildt like an athlete in one of those sports.

I'd argue that Bond should be one step beyond 'lean and fit' to the point that he looks slightly more imposing than a typical guy who goes to the gym.  As a spy, he shouldn't stand out (and, while I'm a huge fan and advocate of Chris Hemsworth as Bond, the fact is the guy would stand out just for being massively built), but he needs to be better than everyone else in the room.  For right or for wrong, violence and action have crept into this series to the point that you need to have several believable fight scenes in them, and the Craig films have set the standards pretty high in terms of execution.  You can't regress from this new norm and expect to maintain an audience, I think.

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You're right, Bond should probably be a little more muscled than a swimmer or runner. But I think Craig went too far in CR.

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zaphod99 wrote:
Miles Messervy wrote:

I don’t subscribe to this idea that whoever plays Bond next needs to “bulk up.” I think it worked for Craig’s iteration of Bond - and I’ll concede may have been necessary given his slight stature - but it is by no means required. Bond is not a superhero. Cast a 6 ft or taller actor who is slim and athletic and there’s no need for him to look like a body builder.

Agree. However standards and expectations of masculinity have changed and Craig is a big part of that. Over compensating like mad to be  sure but part of his legacy may be redefining the Blueprint.  Discuss.

I think whoever plays Bond next will undoubtedly be in great shape. Do they have to be as bulked up as Craig was in Casino Royale? absolutely not. Brosnan in GE was the exact build and weight as Flemings Bond if I remember correctly and he still received enough flak for being too skinny that he gained weight for TNDs. And that was long before the crazy social media fitness culture so audiences now are more aware then ever of an actors build.

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Number24 wrote:

I think it's enough for a Bond actor to look lean and fit. Bond likes swimming, running and skiing. He should be buildt like an athlete in one of those sports.

Exactly ajb007/cheers

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I always thought Lucky Vanous was pretty spot on;
https://d9nvuahg4xykp.cloudfront.net/-8774616978495078172/4311233346564334403.jpg

I do appreciate in today's world of Marvel, the audience expect to see more of a superhero physique and DC has catered for that, but I prefer the more realistic inconspicuous literary physique for Bond.

"Any of the opposition around..?"

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I've heard cross-country skiing athletes have on average the highest lung capasity among athletes. A few years ago Peter Northug was maybe the best male cross country skier in the world (later he has last his way  ajb007/crap  ) and at the time this photo was taken he was probably at peak fitness. I wouldn't mind if Bond looked along these lines, only with a bit more body fat. (any recent rumours about my sexual orientation are unfounded  ajb007/lol )

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/petter-northug-of-norway-during-private-training-session-with-team-picture-id485915806

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ajb007/lol We're all friends here N24.

"Any of the opposition around..?"

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Tom Ellis was pretty thin for seasons 1-3 of LUCIFER.  He started bulking up for S4 and has gotten a tad bigger for S5 (which is out now).  Here's how he looked for S4:
https://playcrazygame.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/60075-m.jpg

I mean, for me, that's a pretty convincing build without going overboard.  Also, there have been quite a few fight scenes in LUCIFER and he's been convincing enough in all of them.

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