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The sticky plot thickens...

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Barbel wrote:

ajb007/confused   That's not a sticky, though.

ajb007/crap My bad - I thought it was  ajb007/embarrassed

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So many of the stickies can be condensed and many others can be "released", as in don't need to be stickies...even my Bond Experience one that announces when a new vlog is up doesn't need to be a sticky.  For the memorabilia section I can go through and see which ones might be redundant or simply outdated etc...

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Charmed & Dangerous wrote:
Barbel wrote:

ajb007/confused   That's not a sticky, though.

ajb007/crap My bad - I thought it was  ajb007/embarrassed

5 minutes on the naughty step for you C & D  ajb007/tongue

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"Stickie plaque" ..... Doesn't sound  very attractive, although a good name for a Henchman.  ajb007/wink

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The Mantis wrote:

So many of the stickies can be condensed and many others can be "released", as in don't need to be stickies...even my Bond Experience one that announces when a new vlog is up doesn't need to be a sticky.  For the memorabilia section I can go through and see which ones might be redundant or simply outdated etc...

I'd be grateful if you would do that, Mantis, and give me a list of which to unstick.

The Mantis wrote:

I do like the idea of a sales/trade section...but not just a single thread...I might have categories like: Screen Used Items...Replica Props...Toys....SA Wardrobe...Frugal Alternatives...Trade for items....Collection sell offs....etc....
I don't like the count limit...so many great items have been purchased from people that just found out about us.   Have you seen what the prop replica forum does with their sale trade thread?  Quite organized and siloed to one area.

Also, this seems the best way to go for the main subject. Would anyone like to comment on this idea?

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It seems like a good idea to me,  and condensing the sales threads makes them easier to navigate/ ignore and to moderate.

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What a sticky mess!  ajb007/tongue

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Chriscoop wrote:
Charmed & Dangerous wrote:
Barbel wrote:

ajb007/confused   That's not a sticky, though.

ajb007/crap My bad - I thought it was  ajb007/embarrassed

5 minutes on the naughty step for you C & D  ajb007/tongue

I usually have to pay extra for that  ajb007/shifty  ajb007/biggrin

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Barbel wrote:

The Mantis wrote:

I do like the idea of a sales/trade section...but not just a single thread...I might have categories like: Screen Used Items...Replica Props...Toys....SA Wardrobe...Frugal Alternatives...Trade for items....Collection sell offs....etc....
I don't like the count limit...so many great items have been purchased from people that just found out about us.   Have you seen what the prop replica forum does with their sale trade thread?  Quite organized and siloed to one area.

Also, this seems the best way to go for the main subject. Would anyone like to comment on this idea?

Yes - seems like a good idea all round  ajb007/martini

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Charmed & Dangerous wrote:
Barbel wrote:

The Mantis wrote:

I do like the idea of a sales/trade section...but not just a single thread...I might have categories like: Screen Used Items...Replica Props...Toys....SA Wardrobe...Frugal Alternatives...Trade for items....Collection sell offs....etc....
I don't like the count limit...so many great items have been purchased from people that just found out about us.   Have you seen what the prop replica forum does with their sale trade thread?  Quite organized and siloed to one area.

Also, this seems the best way to go for the main subject. Would anyone like to comment on this idea?

Yes - seems like a good idea all round  ajb007/martini

I also agree with this. I think there's enough trade going on to justify it, and it would make it easier for those who aren't interested in the whole area - or in specific items - to avoid them completely.

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Has anyone any objection to the suggestion?

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So, will there be an entirely new category "For Sale" same like the Off-Topic or Bond 25, or will the "For sale" section part of the mem&coll thread?


And that category/section will then be divided into the different categories?

I'd be ok with that, if you just add ~10 different  "For sale" categories to the mem&coll - this will be a disaster

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There wouldn't be a new forum; it'd be part of the Mem thread.

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So, "For sale" will be a topic then in the mem&coll&clothing section and that topic will be subdivided into categories?

Not sure if that's technically possible (hasn't been here yet) but adding 10 different "For sale" categories just like that will be a nightmare!

Then those will become even more excessive.

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I'm thinking of adding a topic in the Mem forum to point active members there to this thread, in order to hear their views.

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I just stared at the opening page to the site....I think a For Sale in the Specialist James Bond Discussion Forum area might be the best. In other words dont put it in the Mem section but either above it or below James Bond Gaming..... I do agree with Higgins that I would have a handful of categories underneath, but not make it so contributors can create NEW categories.  For example, you could have Props, Wardrobe, Toys, MISC.?

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We'd need to ask SiCo to do that, of course. I'm happy to do the asking if that's the agreed course of action.

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Hi all
I just went through all this organization when I created the Classifieds section for my website. I've had to take that down temporarily while I get some user account security issues worked out (too many spam accounts were being created), but that section will be back by the end of this month.

Based on my experience, I would suggest a 2 phase approach for AJB. First, I would just create a new Sticky thread in the Memorabilia section, like the Ebay thread. I understand some people here feel that there are too many independent "FS" threads now. But in reality, the first and second pages of the Mem forum are only showing 42 non-sticky threads. Even if 40% of those are FS threads, that's still only around 17 threads at any given time (and it's usually much less). And I would estimate that the average FS thread is only really active for about a week (unless the seller keeps bumping it).

I'm not sure it's worthwhile creating a whole new section of AJB, with different categories, for that few a number of sellers. Most of the categories will probably only have 1 or 2 items for sale. And those will have a pretty short lifespan. So I think just using a sticky thread will be more practical at the start.

If the FS/WTB sticky thread proves to be really popular, then move on to phase 2: creating a new Buy, Sell, Trade section of AJB with separate categories.

Given that AJB uses older software and our excellent mods here already shoulder a lot of responsibility, I think any attempt at setting limits on who can post items for sale is a little unrealistic. Modifying user account core permissions in the platform to allow people with under X number of posts to post anywhere on the site BUT the FS thread isn't that easy unless the functionality is baked into the software. And if the system can't do it automatically, then the mods will have to be monitoring the thread manually to catch people. More trouble than it's worth, IMHO.

Just set some basic rules for buyers and sellers: you can create your one post per item on the Sticky FS thread, but no follow up posts; all communication by PM only; no new, independent threads directing people to your post on the FS thread. It's like the Classifieds section in the newspapers and people should get the hang of it pretty quickly.

Just my 2 cents. Cheers!  ajb007/cheers

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My suggestion of separate section is not just about today, but also looks to tomorrow.  Many people do trade and sell off this site because they see the FS posts and threads as chaotic and easily lost.  If it was organized and integrated more people might be apt to utilize this platform.  But, good point (and most important) that ultimately it's up to the mods and threads ability to do this.

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One of the other forums I frequent has a "Classifieds" section that's broken down into a few catagories.

Classifieds:
   For Sale or Trade
   Karma Connection
   Wanted to Buy

The karma section is Free items, usually decided by a "I'm thinking of a number from 1-100. First one to guess the number gets the item" type game.
Perhaps AJB could use the same format

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I love this idea of a separate area/section for "For Sale" and "Wanted to Buy" threads!  I like the approach a number of forums have taken in this arena.  For example, the RPF has a "Classifieds" section for members only.  So if you're not a signed-in member, you don't even see this area.  IndyGear has a similar approach with their "Cairo Bazaar."  I think it's RPF that has a policy that you can't post in the Classifieds until you have a certain number of posts within the Forum.  I think this is a great idea to weed out sellers who only come to the Forum to make a quick $ (or £) and then disappear.  It encourages members to become active participants in the discussions and not just take some money and run.  Of course, this minimum-posting rule applies only to selling, not buying.  Anyone would be able to come on here and make a purchase - no need to reach a certain number of posts before you can contact a seller to buy something.  I don't think it would be fair to a seller to restrict a possible sale.

I think there should be established "rules" for buying and selling that can be a sticky at the top of the Sales section.  Maybe that's an obvious point, but I think it's worth stating.  The rules can pertain to the number of times a seller can "bump" their own sales thread (or a buyer their own WTB thread).  I also think a seller should condense their items for sale to one thread (instead of creating one thread for every item they're selling).  This will certainly help in the cleanliness of the section.  One other thing I like about the Cairo Bazaar on IndyGear is that threads expire after 30 days and are then deleted.  This definitely helps with the housekeeping!  I've never seen the Cairo Bazaar more than two pages long (40-50 threads maybe).  If a seller hasn't sold their item after this allotted time, they can just repost the items again.  It puts the onus on the seller to maintain their thread, instead of the mods.  It also eliminates those 3-year old sales threads from popping back to life from a new member asking "Is this still available?"

Now I know these suggestions are just that, and it's ultimately up to the mods to implement what they feel is appropriate (and what's achievable with the software and time).  But I think you're on the right track with a separate section.  Any addition would be an improvement to the current set-up.

Kind regards,
Craig

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Sorry, still away and am late to the party.  Broadly I agree with Mantis, actually amazed he put Props before Wardrobe

For example, you could have Props, Wardrobe, Toys, MISC.?

ajb007/biggrin
It hasn't been mentioned yet but I don't think we should go down the RPF route, where you have be a payment subsribed Pro user to sell. I fell foul of that recently and had an FS thread deleted.  So my attitude there is 'Screw Them' I would rather offer things to you guys first, and then in time, put stuff on EBay at a slightly higher price.  This offsets EBay charges and also gives members here a preferrential rate. 

Whilst you're talking to SiCo, could we also have play pen where we could send Higgy Babe and SnakeBoy to so they can continue their bickering........ I'm joking, I love the banter and it is one of the things that keeps me here, even if I have to run all of Higgy Babe's post through Google Translate to understand them  ajb007/biggrin

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SiCo will be onsite tonight, and may comment here. And no, I didn't ask him for a playpen as well (tempting though the thought is).

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Playpen?  More like a padded cell  ajb007/biggrin

It was either that.....or the priesthood