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Wasn't the Vulcan bomber ready to be decomissioned back in 1982, but then the Falklands war started?

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Yes it was V Force was due for retirement at the time. However after such a long flight someone thought it a good idea to fly across the runway not up it, so only one bomb hit the tarmac! Not the RAF’s finest bombing raid but daring one none the less and great PR stunt even if it only closed the airfield for a day or two. The number of in flight refuels was horrendous (refuel the refuellers as much as the Vulcan itself) - would not want to be the one calculating those!

A piece of history in the making none the less and a good show of force at the time ajb007/biggrin


Cheers  ajb007/bond

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Agreed, a brilliant piece of PR  ajb007/martini

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I just read that the said Vulcan had to make a emergency landing in Brazil because it ran out of fuel .And Mrs T got very angry when the Brazilians refused to give it back . And she threatened them with war , whilst safely sitting in her bomb proof Cobra bunker

By the way, did I tell you,  I was       "Mad"?

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always shaken wrote:

I just read that the said Vulcan had to make a emergency landing in Brazil because it ran out of fuel .And Mrs T got very angry when the Brazilians refused to give it back . And she threatened them with war , whilst safely sitting in her bomb proof Cobra bunker

I thought that was the ‘if all else fails’ plan but the original did get there and back though it was a bit tight. I do believe there was a certain helicopter that had to ditch in a certain country and that involved some intense negotiations and people with lots of black tape over their eyes ajb007/biggrin

Cheers  ajb007/bond

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I also suspect some coffee and amphetamine was involved in that flight  ajb007/lol

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Number24 wrote:

I also suspect some coffee and amphetamine was involved in that flight  ajb007/lol

Having flown with the Crab Air (RAF) several times fixed wing and rotary, that’s standard drills on most flights, passengers and aircrew!  ajb007/biggrin

Cheers  ajb007/bond

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Interesting thread.

Can any of you say why you chose to join the military in the first place and if, after you left, adjusting to civilian life was difficult?

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OK I will bite since I referred you here

Apart from being an ex cadet (thanks to the Falklands Campaign), the poster said join the Army see the world and meet new people - forgot to mention some don’t like you and shoot at you, occupational hazard I guess.

Came from a broken home needed some discipline in my life and focus, joined loved every minute the rest is history (mine).

I guess many who leave miss the routine of military life (boredom interspersed with Adrenalin rushs), the comradeship and humour (civvies just don’t get it sometime not a criticism, but it’s a type of dark humour usually born through adversity). But time is a great healer and once you appreciate your personal left and right of arc is different to the general population (not a bad or better thing just different through experiences) you learn to adjust. Some don’t and fall by the way side or rejoin each to his own, but there are organisations there to help. Others find their second calling in life and fit in just fine.

The ticking time bomb in society is post traumatic stress there are hidden suffers everywhere and unless they admit it will never get the help they need. Through training we are told never to show weakness but you are only human and sometimes a bad experience scrambles the wiring a little (can happen equally to civilians as well), but if you acknowledge it and ask for help you can get it and learn to accept what life threw at you.

Small insight, I hope this helps

Cheers  ajb007/bond

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My lad who was a West end based police officer said .a lot of the rough sleepers on the streets of London are ex service personnel , which does seem very sad indeed ,as they can't seem to be o step back into civviy street

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Thanks Bond44 for your story. Yes, there are many homeless ex-military on our streets. I wonder why that is seeing as a military background would be a good qualification for most employers. The TV adverts for the army, navy and air force, used to stress how joining them would enable you to learn a trade that later could be used in civilian life. I hear that most ex-military, though, tend to go into jobs that involve bodyguarding or other civilian security roles—some might even become mercenaries.

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Quiet a few of the police officers at my station were ex forces , it's a pity this country doesn't have the same attitude to ex/ serving personnel as they do in the States .

By the way, did I tell you,  I was       "Mad"?

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+1  ajb007/martini

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I have often said rather than bring back national service, train ex soldiers to teach in the class room. The two teachers I respected most at school (and I was no Angel) were ex forces Para and Marine. There was friendly banter between them obviously, but they lead by example and took no crap from anyone. I once gave some lip to the Para and found myself standing there with a chisel buried in the floor between my feet after he reacted. Thought twice for ever more there after I can tell you (and so did everyone else).

Sadly it’s a fact some do not adjust well and others (more so now than ever due to 20 years of recent operations) carry a heavy burden associated to their experiences only those who were there would truly understand. Like I said before asking for help is seen as a sign of weakness. If only they would ask for help they could probably get it, making the first step is always the hardest.

I do admire the US attitude to their forces, but it can go to far the other way sometimes. I once went there on a project and they found out by accident I had returned from Ops. It was announced in every bar we went too  ‘I was a hero’ (a very reluctant one) and I got free drinks all night and a fair amount of admiration. But to be honest I was one of the lucky ones who came home. The guys we repatriated in coffins were the true heroes and made the ultimate sacrifice, everyone else were just doing their job hoping to return home safely -  ‘there but for the grace of god’ often sprung to mind. So for me personally it was just a bit too much, too full on - but that’s me. I know others who milked it for all they were worth, cannot say I blame them  ajb007/biggrin

Cheers ajb007/bond

P.S BTW No offence to our US colleagues, it’s just different perspectives.

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I teach in Uni classes a few times a year, venomous snakes, expedition stuff and toxicology.  Teachers have no power to discipline anymore.  It would be more frustrating for them to walk into that environment.  Even innocent banter is frowned upon.  Ex military would get sacked within days if there was more than one of us doing it.

And I teach high education average 20/21 year olds that want to progress and get the best qualifications.  I’d hate to have to teach teenagers in schools who don’t.  Christ alive, no.

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I had a teacher at school in the early 1970s who had been a major in World War 2. He was very strict and used to grab us by the ear lobe and pull us along by it to the headmaster’s office if we were naughty. He went to slap my face once but I managed to duck and so he didn’t make full contact. We were only 10 years old, and he must have been around 70. Apart from that he was quite a nice man if you behaved yourself. His army training must have made him intolerant of bad behaviour. He would have been fired if he were a teacher today.

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I have given presentations in schools, colleges and Uni’s strangely enough I get no discipline issues when in uniform  ajb007/biggrin

But you do get some bone questions like the ones mentioned elsewhere and that’s just from the teachers  ajb007/lol

A young teacher did say the me once ‘I don’t know how you do it’, simple really don’t take no unspecified by-product of the alimentary system and a robust attitude works wonders.

Cheers  ajb007/bond

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I cannot understand the English and their discipline. Even today in my country there is corporal punishment in the schools. If the pupil is misbehaving the teacher hits them without worry. I was hit many times at school. If the child is disrespecting the adult on the street then the adult hits them. There is not any time where the child is bad behaved. If you are a criminal the people will beat you. The police hit you if you are in the army the NCO hits you. That is the way. For the police to hit you unless you are a criminal is not good. I think that many times the criminal in England would not do what they do if they were in my country because the people around would beat them very badly before the police got them. There is crime yes, and violent crime also but never things I read about in the newspaper in England. People beating elder people and such crimes as this.

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Joshua wrote:

I cannot understand the English and their discipline. Even today in my country there is corporal punishment in the schools. If the pupil is misbehaving the teacher hits them without worry. I was hit many times at school. If the child is disrespecting the adult on the street then the adult hits them. There is not any time where the child is bad behaved. If you are a criminal the people will beat you. The police hit you if you are in the army the NCO hits you. That is the way. For the police to hit you unless you are a criminal is not good. I think that many times the criminal in England would not do what they do if they were in my country because the people around would beat them very badly before the police got them. There is crime yes, and violent crime also but never things I read about in the newspaper in England. People beating elder people and such crimes as this.

Based on that Joshua - could I safely assume you misbehaved at School and in the Army?  You've mentioned many, many times you were hit/beaten in the Army.  Was the punishment justified and specifically which Country are you from?

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One mans beating is another mans 'attitude realignment' depending where you sit in the hierarchy of life as it were. Through good fortune, drills and standards one day the shoe is on the other foot and you truly understand why it happened and the error of your ways back in the day.

Then do the same to the next generation to teach them the same lessons that you learnt the hard way. You can never put a wise head on young shoulders each generations thinks they are the first and the older generation were born 'old and wise' (no we also learnt through our screw ups and the hard way thats why we have the benefit of hindsight)

Its called evolution  ajb007/biggrin

Cheers  ajb007/bond

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This fall Norway (the larger region around Trondheim) will host NATO's Trident Juncture exercise. About 40,000 participants, 130 aircraft and 70 vessels from more than 30 nations will participate, making it the largest military exercise in Norway and one of the largest exercises in NATO since the cold war. I'm very thankful that so many people from all those contries are willing to invest time, money one Norway's and the West's security. At the same time it saddens and worries me that these large exercises are neccesery in this day and age.


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OGG007 wrote:

Based on that Joshua - could I safely assume you misbehaved at School and in the Army?  You've mentioned many, many times you were hit/beaten in the Army.  Was the punishment justified and specifically which Country are you from?

I have mentioned 'many times' about myself ? I think you had better read my postings again you will then have your answer as to what context I am speaking about and ask yourself if you would rather be hit or go on punishment? It would be your choice.

I am interested in your picture. The 'funny' black man. If you will, can you tell me please why you use this as your profile picture? Thankyou.

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Joshua wrote:

I am interested in your picture. The 'funny' black man. If you will, can you tell me please why you use this as your profile picture? Thankyou.

Certainly Joshua.  I like the affiliation that Bond/Fleming has with Jamaica and this is where Bond was born (created anyway).  As you know all the Fleming novels were written at his Goldeneye home in Oracabessa and Dr. No (both the film and novel) is one of my favourite Bond films/books.  As for the 'funny' black man  ajb007/smile  I  chose the Rastaman with the guitar as reggae is one of my favourite music genres.  That has nothing to do with Bond per se but I just like the caricature.  ajb007/martini

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This weekend I have discovered the exellent YouTube history channel The Great War.  They cover everything from the largest battles to to the role of minor neutral nations, from ace pilots to the role of women. Every episode I've seen has been interesting and informative.

Here is something I learnt: The first military paratrooper ever was Alessandro Tandura, an officer in the elite Arditi unit (comparable to the German sturmtruppen). He jumped behind Austrian-Hungarian lines in 1918 from a bomber piloted by a Canadian and a Brit. Parachuting was in it's infancy and Tandura had never parachuted before. He managed to stay behind enemy lines for three months before returning to Italy. Tandura gathered information and sent home messages by carrier pigeons. Four more Arditi officers were dropped behind enemy lines before the war ended.

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The famous SIS agent Sidney Reily also claimed he parachuted over Germany in WWI.