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Topic: So, Basically Mr. White is

Marc-Ange Draco in this Bond universe, and Madeline Swann is Tracy?  Of course, the biographical details are different, but White is a super-criminal who gets Bond to take care of his daughter, who falls in love with the agent.  There's all the reworking of Piz Gloria as Swann's therapy chalet and so forth.

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So what you're saying is all this really did happen to another fella?

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I think he's more the Major Dexter Smythe (Of the Octopussy film.) of Craig's era.

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That's a fair observation, I think, Gassy. Especially if they manage to lure Craigger back for another. If actors change, I'm genuinely curious as to how they handle where SP left off, unless it's a soft reboot to a status quo Hiddleston (or whomever).

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Well, if SP was Craig's OHMSS which I agree to some degree then Bond 25 will be Brosnan's DAF after that logic  ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol

Let's bloody hope so   ajb007/biggrin   ajb007/biggrin


Do I imagine things or was there a first SP teaser trailer out with OHMSS music on it. I think I really have seen that, but can't find it anymore anywhere ajb007/frown

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Gassy Man wrote:

Mr. White is Marc-Ange Draco in this Bond universe, and Madeline Swann is Tracy?

Huh, nice pickup. That similarity between White and Draco never crossed my mind, but I think you definitely have something there. 

BondJasonBond006 wrote:

was there a first SP teaser trailer out with OHMSS music on it.

Yes I believe the first SP trailer had a few bars with a hint of the OHMSS score

Edit: It was the second trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTDaET-JweU

From 1:45 pretty much till the James Bond theme at the end

Last edited by JTM (17th Jun 2017 10:59)

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@JTM

Thank you so much! Yes, exactly this trailer I mean. Wonderful homage to Barry's best score.

Damn...now I want to watch SP immediately  ajb007/martini  ajb007/biggrin

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That SPECTRE trailer was amazing with the OHMSS.  Made the film look like it was going to be one of the very best!

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Gassy Man wrote:

Marc-Ange Draco in this Bond universe, and Madeline Swann is Tracy?  Of course, the biographical details are different, but White is a super-criminal who gets Bond to take care of his daughter, who falls in love with the agent.  There's all the reworking of Piz Gloria as Swann's therapy chalet and so forth.

Brilliant sir! It never occurred to me.  ajb007/martini

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Barbel wrote:

So what you're saying is all this really did happen to another fella?

ajb007/lol

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Loeffelholz wrote:

That's a fair observation, I think, Gassy. Especially if they manage to lure Craigger back for another. If actors change, I'm genuinely curious as to how they handle where SP left off, unless it's a soft reboot to a status quo Hiddleston (or whomever).

ajb007/cheers

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chrisisall wrote:
Gassy Man wrote:

Marc-Ange Draco in this Bond universe, and Madeline Swann is Tracy?  Of course, the biographical details are different, but White is a super-criminal who gets Bond to take care of his daughter, who falls in love with the agent.  There's all the reworking of Piz Gloria as Swann's therapy chalet and so forth.

Brilliant sir! It never occurred to me.  ajb007/martini

ajb007/cheers

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Gassy Man wrote:
chrisisall wrote:
Gassy Man wrote:

Marc-Ange Draco in this Bond universe, and Madeline Swann is Tracy?  Of course, the biographical details are different, but White is a super-criminal who gets Bond to take care of his daughter, who falls in love with the agent.  There's all the reworking of Piz Gloria as Swann's therapy chalet and so forth.

Brilliant sir! It never occurred to me.  ajb007/martini

ajb007/cheers


There is so much OHMSS in SP it's quite fascinating!

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Well, Madeleine seems to me like a rework of the literary Tiffany Case rather than Tracy but that may just be me  ajb007/martini.

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They've been recycling/reworking a lot of elements -- I think most of us initially took them as homages (the oil scene with Fields in QoS), but in reality, since this is a reboot, they're taking ingredients from previous films and introducing them differently.

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Well, at least this is shaping up better than Die Another Day did in terms of homages.

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Dirty Punker wrote:

Well, at least this is shaping up better than Die Another Day did in terms of homages.


To be honest, I think DAD worked well for the 40th Anniversary, it can be debated that EON went overboard with the OTT stuff of DAD, but then they did this with almost all the actors so far at one point or the other.

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BondJasonBond006 wrote:
Dirty Punker wrote:

Well, at least this is shaping up better than Die Another Day did in terms of homages.


To be honest, I think DAD worked well for the 40th Anniversary, it can be debated that EON went overboard with the OTT stuff of DAD, but then they did this with almost all the actors so far at one point or the other.

Some of them I really liked and were only apparent to the dedicated Bond fan (like the grape theft being I just mentioned).
The lazer scene was the one I was primarily referring to. I hope we are not taking this thread off-course.

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Dirty Punker wrote:

Well, Madeleine seems to me like a rework of the literary Tiffany Case rather than Tracy but that may just be me  ajb007/martini.

oh I agree, if DC comes back they could easily just mention how it didn't work out with her hence why he returned to the service simple! To obvious to have her killed by Blofeld and another revenge story!

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superdaddy wrote:
Dirty Punker wrote:

Well, Madeleine seems to me like a rework of the literary Tiffany Case rather than Tracy but that may just be me  ajb007/martini.

oh I agree, if DC comes back they could easily just mention how it didn't work out with her hence why he returned to the service simple! To obvious to have her killed by Blofeld and another revenge story!

I really hope the former happens. I love LTK and QOS but that's enough revenge for at least a few more movies.

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Remington wrote:
superdaddy wrote:
Dirty Punker wrote:

Well, Madeleine seems to me like a rework of the literary Tiffany Case rather than Tracy but that may just be me  ajb007/martini.

oh I agree, if DC comes back they could easily just mention how it didn't work out with her hence why he returned to the service simple! To obvious to have her killed by Blofeld and another revenge story!

I really hope the former happens. I love LTK and QOS but that's enough revenge for at least a few more movies.

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It has been noted many times that SPECTRE is a clear homage to OHMSS.

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BruceMurdock wrote:

I think he's more the Major Dexter Smythe (Of the Octopussy film.) of Craig's era.

I saw this parallel before I saw the Draco parallel, basically while the whole suicide scene was unfolding in the theatre I was thinking Octopussy
in the book Smythe doesn't actually kill himself, deliberately, he manages to do it by accident (being in extremely poor health and passively awaiting death) while Bond gives him the chance to think about his crimes and inevitable courtmartial
in the film, we never see Smythe, instead Maud Adams tells his story, now with suicide added, and there is a moment of unease between Moore and Adams before she says suicide was the honourable alternative to the shame of a courtmartial and she is actually grateful to Bond for allowing her father the choice
SPECTRE complicates this further, with Craig appearing to be manipulative of the dead man's daughter and less than completely honest, then Blofeld replaying the surveillance footage of the actual event so the daughter can witness for herself

but the Draco/Tracy angle is definitely there too, especially with the Alpine allergy clinic and all the speculation the next film will begin with Swann's murder
there's big chunks of Thunderball, OHMSS, and the YOLT film in this one, the whole original Blofeld trilogy in one film

the Tiffany/Swann parallel is sort of there too, with her being the survivor of a very bad background who deserves a normal life, and Bond feeling he must choose between her and M (dialog from the DaF book)

the filmmakers just take scoopfuls of the old material, put it in a blender with a dash of Goldmember, and whirrr ... there's a new film

EDIT: just checked Fleming's text
after Smythe finishes his confession, Bond gives him a week before "someone else" returns to bring him home for courtmartial. Smythe himself assumes this is a blatant invitation to suicide, thinking "It was just a version of the corny old act of leaving the guilty officer alone with his revolver". Instead, Smythe goes scubadiving, manages to get himself stung by a scorpion fish, feels another coronary coming on, then is drowned by his beloved Octopussy who is attracted by the blood. In the secondlast paragraph, Bond, who did not witness this scene, assumes suicide while writing his notes. The deathscene goes on for eight pages! The filmmakers simplified that by just letting him use the revolver.

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BondJasonBond006 wrote:
Gassy Man wrote:
chrisisall wrote:

Brilliant sir! It never occurred to me.  ajb007/martini

ajb007/cheers


There is so much OHMSS in SP it's quite fascinating!

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Remember that in previous scripts, we had Irma Bunt and even the line: "We have all the time in the World..."