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This video is of a man skating on very thin ice on a lake in Sweden. The ice is so think it cracks behing him. The sound you hear is the actual sound the cracking ice makes. Could inspire a very special scene in Bond25.

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zaphod99 wrote:
James Suzuki wrote:

I think the only worry that people have with that storyline is that it is a retrend of Skyfall plot (Which did the old man bond waay to early)

I agree. Bond was burnt out before he ever really became fully formed.

Well, I understand double 00s have a very short life expectancy.

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HowardB wrote:
Miles Messervy wrote:
Matt S wrote:

Right. It's an open ending with a cliffhanger. It gave Fleming a way out and the ending allowed Fleming to say that Bond was dead if he wanted. But the ending also gave Fleming the option to bring Bond back because he never actually killed Bond in the book.


Correct. And if they are going to “kill” Bond in this film, they should do it in the same way. In fact, I’m rather hoping that they go this route. I’m pretty tired of Craig’s Bond at this point. I don’t want him back again in 3-4 years time.

There's no reason to have to kill Bond in Bond 25 to move on from Craig....EON could just do a soft re-boot with a new actor. But I guess the logic is if Craig's Bond is killed, then they have no choice but  to move on from Craig. I don't think they will end Bond 25 on that sort of down note. Personally, I'm not so much tired of Craig but just think he has one film left in him....unless they want to bring him back in a Bond geezer film. Title of Bond 26 w/ Craig: Dirty Old OO7? Bad Grandpa Bond?

The reason to kill Craig's Bond isn't to move on from Craig. It's to bring Craig's Bond's character arc to a fitting and satisfying end.

If the Death of Bond can be done well, there's no reason not to do it. If it can't be done well then it should be avoided at all costs.

And the average film goer can suspend disbelief enough to understand that even though Bond dies in a film, he can still come back in future films.

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Not everyone would agree that killing him would bring Craig's Bond character to a fitting and satisfying end. Plus, I highly doubt that EON would kill Bond.....a bummer ending like that could hurt the box office of Bond 25. The ending of OHMSS apparently did it no favours at the box office. Plus, for me, anything that could remotely give any life to the James Bond is a code name thing, as completely unintentional as it would be on EON's part, is bad, bad, bad.

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As far as I can remember, only 2-3 members want Bond to die in Bond25. There are few ISSUES in the poll AJB members agree more on: we don't want Bond to die.

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HowardB wrote:

Not everyone would agree that killing him would bring Craig's Bond character to a fitting and satisfying end. Plus, I highly doubt that EON would kill Bond.....a bummer ending like that could hurt the box office of Bond 25. The ending of OHMSS apparently did it no favours at the box office. Plus, for me, anything that could remotely give any life to the James Bond is a code name thing, as completely unintentional as it would be on EON's part, is bad, bad, bad.

"Logan" did $620 million (compared to "Wolverine" which did $373 million and "The Wolverine" which did $414 million). And that was for a third-level Marvel character. And in 5-10 years, he'll be back.

OHMSS did relatively poorly at the box office because people didn't accept Lazenby as Bond.

The code name theory is something only the hardcore fan boys care about. We've had six actors play Bond, they all look different and the character and personality of Bond is different with each actor. Yet only 1% of the people who see James Bond films have heard of the "code name theory."

I don't think there's any reason to worry.

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Yes, but people "know" Bond never dies. If he dies in a movie many will interpret it as the code name theory even if they have never heard the term.

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Number24 wrote:

Yes, but people "know" Bond never dies. If he dies in a movie many will interpret it as the code name theory even if they have never heard the term.

They'll understand that its just a movie.

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Of course, a movie that can be explained by the code name theory.

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The Avengers: Endgame will come out in four months and I expect several of the characters (Iron Man and Captain America, among others) will die, so Bond dying may not even seem like a huge deal by February 2020.

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Gala Brand wrote:

The Avengers: Endgame will come out in four months and I expect several of the characters (Iron Man and Captain America, among others) will die, so Bond dying may not even seem like a huge deal by February 2020.

Comic book characters never actually die. The writers can always invent a fantastic way they can return. James Bond is set in a world people think of as more realistic than intergalactic superhero comics

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Merry

Matt S wrote:
Gala Brand wrote:

The Avengers: Endgame will come out in four months and I expect several of the characters (Iron Man and Captain America, among others) will die, so Bond dying may not even seem like a huge deal by February 2020.

Comic book characters never actually die. The writers can always invent a fantastic way they can return. James Bond is set in a world people think of as more realistic than intergalactic superhero comics

I also am reluctant to apply superhero movie logic to Bond. Logan made a lot of $$$, so did Avengers 3. But we all know Avengers 4 will bring the dead back, even as it kills off a very few others (that’s my guess).

Personally, I don’t want Bond to die on film for a number of reasons:

1. He’s an aspirational hero. I have no interest in seeing this character I’ve loved and admired bested by Blofeld, Hinx, or some random punk.
2. I cant imagine I’d want to rewatch a James Bond movie where he dies. What would be the message of such a film? That even the best of us dies? Gee, there’s a new one.
3. What stakes could possibly justify his death? He’s already literally saved the world, back in the Sir Roger days. He’d have to die in a worthy, noble cause (as Logan did, although I was unmoved by the ending of that film). So what does he do — save HRH?
4. I seem to remember a story about a golden goose....

Ultimately, I’m hoping they don’t do it because there are lots and lots of ways for the storyline to go wrong. Ask the people at Disney behind the Star Wars franchise about how easy it is to pull off narrative twists.

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Gala Brand wrote:
zaphod99 wrote:
James Suzuki wrote:

I think the only worry that people have with that storyline is that it is a retrend of Skyfall plot (Which did the old man bond waay to early)

I agree. Bond was burnt out before he ever really became fully formed.

Well, I understand double 00s have a very short life expectancy.

This incarnation has been around for a while though has it not ajb007/smile

Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.

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Not really if you consider CR the start of the second timeline.

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Number24 wrote:

As far as I can remember, only 2-3 members want Bond to die in Bond25. There are few ISSUES in the poll AJB members agree more on: we don't want Bond to die.

Alas, I confess I have never been one to go with the crowd.

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Matt S wrote:
Gala Brand wrote:

The Avengers: Endgame will come out in four months and I expect several of the characters (Iron Man and Captain America, among others) will die, so Bond dying may not even seem like a huge deal by February 2020.

Comic book characters never actually die. The writers can always invent a fantastic way they can return. James Bond is set in a world people think of as more realistic than intergalactic superhero comics

Bond, like Iron Man and Captain America is a fictional character so he can die a thousand deaths. And he's defied the laws of nature in the past (e.g. the PTS in Goldeneye where in free fall he catches up with a falling airplane, thus breaking Newton's Law of universal gravitational attraction).

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https://youtu.be/GETEJv31ek0  ajb007/lol

“God has given you one face, and you make yourself another"

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Thunderpussy wrote:

https://youtu.be/GETEJv31ek0  ajb007/lol

He should be the next Bond because he could do all his own stunts ajb007/insane  ajb007/lol

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Gala Brand wrote:
Number24 wrote:

As far as I can remember, only 2-3 members want Bond to die in Bond25. There are few ISSUES in the poll AJB members agree more on: we don't want Bond to die.

Alas, I confess I have never been one to go with the crowd.

You have every right to have a different opinion than "the crowd". I was once a member of a fan forum where the Moderator was of the opinion that absolutely everything about Bond is fantastic and there was nothing to talk about other than saying it's fantastic. I left.

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the main problem with killing bond is everyone knows they are going to

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Thunderpussy wrote:

https://youtu.be/GETEJv31ek0  ajb007/lol

Cool stunt.

Obviously  the stunt guy is going faster than the target plane (for one thing, the target plane is being slowed down by a parachute while the stunt guy has no parachute) unlike Bond in GE whose motorcycle is going slower than the plane. Still no way for Bond to "catch up" in mid-air unless he's wearing Connery's jetpack. ajb007/lol

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Gala Brand wrote:
Thunderpussy wrote:

https://youtu.be/GETEJv31ek0  ajb007/lol

Cool stunt.

Obviously  the stunt guy is going faster than the target plane (for one thing, the target plane is being slowed down by a parachute while the stunt guy has no parachute) unlike Bond in GE whose motorcycle is going slower than the plane. Still no way for Bond to "catch up" in mid-air unless he's wearing Connery's jetpack. ajb007/lol

In a vacuum, all items fall at the same acceleration. A person can go faster than a plane in free fall because a person has less wind resistance. In this case, the plane's propeller is going, so I don't think Bond could realistically catch up to the plane because of the propeller. Without the propeller going, Bond could have realistically caught up to the plane.

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An airplane in a nose down configuration has less drag than Pierce Brosnan.

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Number24 wrote:

Not really if you consider CR the start of the second timeline.

Einstein explained that a few seconds with your hand over a flame feels like a lifetime but that an hour in the presence of a pretty girl feels like seconds (paraphrasing )

Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.

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Gala Brand wrote:

An airplane in a nose down configuration has less drag than Pierce Brosnan.

True. He should have had a haircut to make that scene more believable.  ajb007/tongue