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Number24 wrote:

But why would Bond surf in the dessert?
Besides, it's just a slower and warmer form of skiing.

Surfing in the DESSERT?!  That's a trifle confusing.  Desert is one S and pudding Dessert is two eSSes.

Bleuville.  Just finished the Bond book-Forever and a day. I'd give it 8 out of 10.

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I ment the warm places with lots of sand....  ajb007/crap
Sorry

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I think we all knew what you meant, I being extremely posh use the term " Pudding "  ajb007/wink

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no, no I think there should be a chase scene through a dessert landscape
it could be that James Bond Vs Willy Wonka crossover we've all been waiting for!
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  Brexit , Blofeld is back. SPECTRE is back. These are honestly dreams come true to a Bond fanatic like me.

I really want a good old-fashioned world-domination scheme brought back. The cheesy old Bond schtick. I might be in the minority, here, but Blofeld is back. He needs to be played out. Big time. Bond needs a super-nemesis - it's the only way the Bond schtick will survive in the Marvel superhero age.

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I take it that most of us has seen the new Mission Impossible trailer? Wow, it looks like they are feasting on the 007 playbook again even with a terrific looking punch-up in a Toilet. Imitation is flattery but as far as action goes the recent MI films just do it better. Bond 25 has to decide if it wants to piddle in that pool or not. If it does it really needs to up its game.

I still don't know or care much about Ethan Hunt, but unless we get more dimensions to CraigBond I'm starting to not know much or care about him either. I think and hope it's possible to do this without mining his past (I don't care if he was never breast fed)  I'd like shorter, sharper more inventive action but real tension and a worthwhile mission.

Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.

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The new Mission Impossible film looks like a "Bond greatest hits"
Homage.  ajb007/biggrin although after all these films, I still don't care about
Ethan Hawk , he's still simply a generic hero character.
   It is odd when Bond was going all action, many were calling for
Less action and more story. Now we're getting more story, and
Characterisation,  ..... and the calls have started for..... more
Action !  ajb007/lol ....... who'd be a producer.

Looking at Box office figures the Bond films still make far more
Than the MI films.   ajb007/martini  so at least the public appreciate  quality
Even if some fans can't  ajb007/tongue  ajb007/bond

I remember when Bourne was going to kill Bond as a series.....
..... I Wonder how that's going.  ajb007/lol

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

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Thunderpussy wrote:

The new Mission Impossible film looks like a "Bond greatest hits"
Homage.  ajb007/biggrin although after all these films, I still don't care about
Ethan Hawk , he's still simply a generic hero character.

Looking at Box office figures the Bond films still make far more
Than the MI films.   ajb007/martini  so at least the public appreciate  quality
Even if some fans can't  ajb007/tongue  ajb007/bond

I’d say the Bond series can take some notes. Fallout has been getting some incredibly impressive reviews and I gotta admit it’s definitely the film that I have been looking forward to the most this year — 

“...one of the best action movies ever made...”

“...intensity that will remind you of The Dark Knight and plenty of the unique flavouring that has turned this franchise from ‘Tom Cruise:Generic Action Man’ into the most exciting, inventive and just-plain greatest action franchise around.”

“...this movie is sex.”   etc  ajb007/lol

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Skyfall and CR also got some fantastic reviews,  ajb007/wink  as well as making
The list for the most successful  British films ever !  So I think Eon
Might just know what they're doing.

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

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It looks like Mission Impossible is best at action now, mainly because Tom Cruise is insane.
MI has always been to thin on character and mood, something Bond has gone overboard on during Craig's time as Bond. When Cruise gets to old to play Ethan Hunt and Daniel Craig gets too old to play James Bond things will probably even themselves out.

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It's crazy how those MI films just keep getting better and better. Suppose EON should be happy B25 doesn't come out until next year so they dont have to compete with another MI film again.

@ddspike21

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I love the fast and furious films, and feel they too keep
Getting better and better, but I don't think the Bond team
Are too worried about it  ajb007/biggrin
  I do find it amusing when a new film cones out and
People start having orgasms about it.  ajb007/lol 
I'm looking forward to it, and will enjoy it, like the others
but, like Kingsman, TMFU,  it's a fun action movie and if it
Gives the Bond team a few ideas for action sequences,
That's fine. Although in my book, Bond is the origin of the
Species and will always be the best  ajb007/martini  .... ( to me at least )  ajb007/bond

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

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Thunderpussy wrote:

I love the fast and furious films, and feel they too keep
Getting better and better, but I don't think the Bond team
Are too worried about it  ajb007/biggrin
  I do find it amusing when a new film cones out and
People start having orgasms about it.  ajb007/lol 
I'm looking forward to it, and will enjoy it, like the others
but, like Kingsman, TMFU,  it's a fun action movie and if it
Gives the Bond team a few ideas for action sequences,
That's fine. Although in my book, Bond is the origin of the
Species and will always be the best  ajb007/martini  .... ( to me at least )  ajb007/bond

No question, the trailers for the new MI film look great and I'm looking forward to seeing it.
For me however, it's still not Bond. There's just something special about the Bond films that appeals to me. There's no sense in comparing the two because despite the similarities they are two different beasts. To me, the MI film series is far and away the best of Bond's children. I also give most of the credit for the success of MI to Tom Cruise. IMO, without Cruise and his devotion to (obsession might be a better term) performing great stunts and his on screen star power and charisma, the MI films would just be another bunch of run of the mill action films.

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Thunderpussy wrote:

The new Mission Impossible film looks like a "Bond greatest hits"
Homage.  ajb007/biggrin although after all these films, I still don't care about
Ethan Hawk , he's still simply a generic hero character.
   It is odd when Bond was going all action, many were calling for
Less action and more story. Now we're getting more story, and
Characterisation,  ..... and the calls have started for..... more
Action !  ajb007/lol ....... who'd be a producer.

Looking at Box office figures the Bond films still make far more
Than the MI films.   ajb007/martini  so at least the public appreciate  quality
Even if some fans can't  ajb007/tongue  ajb007/bond

I remember when Bourne was going to kill Bond as a series.....
..... I Wonder how that's going.  ajb007/lol

For me it's not a binary of action versus story I'd like less overblown 15 minute helicopter stuff but shorter sharper action that moves the narrative. Yes we have had 'more story ' but hackneyed and inward looking in my view (Mommy dearest/ Home Alone, and the whole doomed Retcon of Spectre)

In terms of characterisation Craig is talented actor but he has not been allowed to give us the rounded portrayal I know he's capable of. It's all a bit one note to my mind. I'm optimistic about 25 and hope he will be able to finally  render his definitive fully formed Bond.

Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.

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All could be true but the figures show the public watch Bond in
Larger numbers than the MI films. So to change a winning formula
To a less successful  one seems ..... " Illogical  Captain "  ajb007/biggrin

Then again  as with all things, what the hell do I know   ajb007/lol

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

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One of the most interesting things about Eon's treatment of the Bond franchise is to see them taking the concept absolutely to the furthest extreme and then pulling back. Perhaps Spectre was the You Only Live Twice/Moonraker/Die Another Day of the Daniel Craig era and we'll see a different approach.

Pure speculation, obviously.

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I hope/think so too. Perhaps Bond25 will be more a thriller, more like FRWL, OHMSS, CR?

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IanFryer wrote:

One of the most interesting things about Eon's treatment of the Bond franchise is to see them taking the concept absolutely to the furthest extreme and then pulling back. Perhaps Spectre was the You Only Live Twice/Moonraker/Die Another Day of the Daniel Craig era and we'll see a different approach.

Pure speculation, obviously.

I hope that you're right. The Craig era has been established as the "gritty" and "serious" incarnation of Bond. Of course there's still humor in Craig's films, but the lighter tone and slap-sticky nature of some of Spectre felt woefully out of place.

@ddspike21

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Thunderpussy wrote:

All could be true but the figures show the public watch Bond in
Larger numbers than the MI films. So to change a winning formula
To a less successful  one seems ..... " Illogical  Captain "  ajb007/biggrin

Then again  as with all things, what the hell do I know   ajb007/lol

Why do you insist on the Bond v. MI stuff? As Bond fans, I think we can enjoy both and appreciate areas where Bond could benefit from emulating MI.

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Others are pointing out how Bond should change, and be more like the MI films. or didn't
you bother reading any of the posts ?  as it's fairly obvious  ajb007/insane  It does seem strange that on
a Bond forum a member can be attacked for Defending the Bond films ? .... You do understand what
a Fan is ?  ajb007/rolleyes

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Miles Messervy wrote:
Thunderpussy wrote:

All could be true but the figures show the public watch Bond in
Larger numbers than the MI films. So to change a winning formula
To a less successful  one seems ..... " Illogical  Captain "  ajb007/biggrin

Then again  as with all things, what the hell do I know   ajb007/lol

Why do you insist on the Bond v. MI stuff? As Bond fans, I think we can enjoy both and appreciate areas where Bond could benefit from emulating MI.

In fairness I think it was my post commenting that as far as action alone goes MI seems to do it better and in the latest instalment  seem determined to mine the Bond playbook still further.  I was stating that Bond needs to decide if it's in or out of that particular game,and if 'in ' it needs to raise the bar. TP I think was responding to that rather than initiating a Bond vs MI discussion as such himself. Others subsequently picked up the theme and ran with it. Comparison is inevitable given the types of films they are. Ethan is still little more than a cipher though for my money. ajb007/bond

Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.

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Miles Messervy wrote:

Why do you insist on the Bond v. MI stuff?

He isn't- as zaphod said, it's all in context.

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zaphod99 wrote:

Ethan is still little more than a cipher though for my money.

I'd go further and say that he is a void. That's odd when I think about it because Cruise can be a talented actor. I suppose it (again) shows the importance of screenwriting.

I'm a big fan of the Craig era, but one of the failures of the movies is equating character with back story. With CR it made sense, given the movie was about how James Bond became James Bond. QoS was essentially a revenge driven film. But with Skyfall and especially Spectre there was this strange concern that Bond wasn't interesting enough. The filmmakers needed to give him deeply personal stakes. It's the kind of thing you hear in a screenwriting seminar.

But James Bond, like Sherlock Holmes or Tarzan, is an archetype. He shows his character in how he behaves, how he dresses, how he keeps his nerve. That is enough for most of us. When I read posts here hoping the next film will be Bond on a mission, I often interpret the feeling as "we know who he is, just get on with it."

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An exelent post. Couldn't have said it better myself  ajb007/bond

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