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To nit-pick (sometimes I do that) NATO is in effect the North American-European Treaty in spite of the name. Countries such as Italy, Greece , Poland and Turkey aren't north Atlantic. It seems the UK might join a possible war in Korea even though they don't have to:

President Donald Trump has made it clear that all options remain on the table for dealing with North Korea, and during her overnight flight to Osaka Mrs May was asked four times by journalists if she would rule out joining military action against the Kim regime. Each time, she refused to address the question directly.

(from The Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08 … ile-test/)

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Primarily nato is a defence treaty whereby the 29 members agree to defend each other in that region it of course includes Canada I'm not sure why it was named as such?  of course hostilities outside of the region are not really Nato business.  I don't think the UK would enter into direct action but would offer support with logistics etc where needed but between south Korea, the US,  Japan I think they can cope without the UK.  Now Putin is starting to rattle his sabre in Kim Jong Uns direction.

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If there ever is a war I too think it will be between NK on one side and SK and US on the other. If Japan didn't have a Constitution that forbids them to take part in warfare abroad I think they would join too. It's quite possible Australia and NZ could get involved since the NK missiles can reach them too.

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I have a mate in the industry who is keeping me posted on Bond 25 and it turns out it will incorporate the North Korea narrative quite heavily, they just waiting to see how things turn out.

The working titles is 'When The Fat Boy Sings'. Another is 'Begging For War'.

That smug, twinkley-eyed news announcer features as an Irma Bunt character. One key scene already written has Bond chasing her round the studio with a ping-pong bat. 'That's China's contribution' he quips.

"This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

Roger Moore 1927-2017

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ajb007/lol

It sounds much better than DAD

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Number24 wrote:

If there ever is a war I too think it will be between NK on one side and SK and US on the other. If Japan didn't have a Constitution that forbids them to take part in warfare abroad I think they would join too. It's quite possible Australia and NZ could get involved since the NK missiles can reach them too.

As I said Japan has the anti ballistic missile system and I can see them using it if NK launches in their direction again,  but they cannot participate in any preemptive strike or invasion.  I think the US can handle this on their own easily,  and with South Korea also involved NK stands no chance of any form of success.

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Interesting developments over in the Korean peninsula,  while Kim Jong Un calls trump a Barking dog,  Seoul has approved an 8 million dollar package to help feed the malnourished citizens of the North. 
As south Korea is allied to the US and Trump called for no nation to have dealings with NK how will this play out?

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The Pentagon has calculated that a conventional war with NK will cost about 20 000 lives in South Korea per day. In addition many lives will be lost in NK,  the US military and possibly in Japan.
If the war goes nuclear the losses will be even worse.

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I'm actually watching a programme on it now.

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According to the programme I've just watched the doomsday clock is at 2 and a half minutes to midnight and  ajb007/crap hasn't been there since 1958.

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The "positive" side is that any nuclear Korean war will most likely be regional. The wild card is China. If American atomic missiles are fired against NK, how will China react? Will they retaliate in fear that the missiles may be aimed at them?  Will they support NK because they fear a smoking nuclear ruin on their doorstep and millions of refugees crossing the Sino-Korean border? It's not the most likely scenario, but it's not impossible.

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It's like they always say once you have cocked your weapon you have 2 choices - pull the trigger or back down - interesting times ahead.

Personally I think China and Russia will step in to put NK back in their box. No one really wants a fight in that region. But when you have two nuts in a bowl they are bound to swirl around a bit and clash once in a while.

Cheers  ajb007/bond

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Bond44 wrote:

It's like they always say once you have cocked your weapon you have 2 choices - pull the trigger or back down - interesting times ahead.

Personally I think China and Russia will step in to put NK back in their box. No one really wants a fight in that region. But when you have two nuts in a bowl they are bound to swirl around a bit and clash once in a while.

Cheers  ajb007/bond

ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol

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Well  i hope the world leaders come to their senses ajb007/rolleyes , I think your average NK citizen dosent have a scooby doo of the real world ,
out side of what they have been brainwashed with by their glorious leaders ,If they only knew of the fire power that the USA have at their disposal ,parked up on their door step ,Kim Jon Un would be soon kicked out ,im sure your average NK citizen is probably a nice bloke ,and just wants for his family ,the same as the rest of us . So lets hope someone can solve this situation very soon ,

By the way, did I tell you,  I was       "Mad"?

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It's curious how what used to be the ultimate last resort and deterrent is now being discussed as the first line of offence, pre-emptive strike material even.

Even though the NK nuclear arsenal might be relatively low yield, the stuff the USA would strike with certainly has more of a kick about it, likewise so does neighbouring China. The cocktail of toys on the table have the potential to effect everyone on the planet.

With recent news reporting the existence of 'direct communications' between the USA and NK, could this signal the beginning of negotiations?

Uncle Kim has to stick to his word to avoid loosing face to his people. No doubt any negotiation with the western world would be spun into some kind of 'upper hand' 'doing them a favour' type bollocks to make it appear Kimmy is the better man.

If negotiations don't take place, and military intervention takes place I think NK will soon regret it.

Like previously said, what's more important is how China reacts to a possible nuclear conflict on its doorstep.

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There were low-level talks between NK and US early in the summer. Hopefully there are negotiations of some sort now too.

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Number24 wrote:

There were low-level talks between NK and US early in the summer. Hopefully there are negotiations of some sort now too.

Do tweets count?  ajb007/lol

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Kim Jung-Un is visiting South Korea, the first time ever a NK leader visits SK. This is promising, but it's still early days and NK is an insane regime. So far it seems Trump's aggressive style on Korea paid off. He obviously isn't the only factor, but the US did things differently and things changed.
It could have gone horribly wrong and and it still can go horribly wrong, but it needs to be said.

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This is all being pushed by China (well, at the urging of other countries).  China has foreign interests who are telling them if they don't get the Korean thing worked out, it's going to bite them on the rear economically.  Without China's backing, NK is nothing.  Always follow the money.

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Sh*t can hit the fan at any given moment but it's still something, right?
Fight crazy with crazy, I guess.

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To my mind it's still better than the prevarication of the Obama years.

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Thank you for teaching me a new word  ajb007/biggrin
If I understand "prevarication" correctly you think Trump is more honest than Obama? Please explain...

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I use it only in the sense that he gave the false impression that everything was fine and dandy in the world when it clearly wasn't and isn't. He had presidential power but he chose to do nothing very much with it. As a result, and on his watch, the problem of ISIS and the so-called Islamic State worsened, the Taliban got a bigger hold in Afghanistan again and tensions grew over North Korea.

Obama was a ditherer in comparison to Trump who is at least doing something. In  terms of North Korea, this something seems to be working. Doing nothing and hoping the problems sort themselves out on their own is no longer a viable option.

What is the point of having power if one doesn't dare to exercise it? Obama played it safe and that's why we've been left with the mess we're in now. Trump now has to clean up this inherited mess and take the blame accordingly for the previous slumbering Obama administration.

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In many ways, Trump stirred things up, and along with China helped
to bring about this lowering of tension. ( in my opinion ). Although
these thaws in relations between north and south have happened
before and got nowhere.  Hopefully this time China has Convinced
N.Korea that Trump is unpredictable, and will retaliate, with
sanctions or even military actions. He's not like Professional
politicians, he plays by his own rules and who knows he may
actually be more successful at it than the so called political experts.

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Thanks, now I understand. You have a point. Obama did like diplomacy and non-intervention and in the case of NK it didn't work. Trump has been unpredictable and aggressive and so far it seems to work. He did run the risk of the whole thing ending in a disastrous war, but so far it hasn't happened. Perhaps this time his style worked. Perhaps Kim Jung-Un recognized his own bully style in Trump?
Not that Trump is as bad as Kim, obviously.