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Writer Scott Z. Burns talks about NTTD ina an interview:
https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment … tt-z-burns


[img]Burns, while not revealing any plot points, said director Fukunaga had a “clear vision” for the Bond 25 movie, and instilled in both Burns and Phoebe Waller-Bridge, who was brought on in April 2019 to edit the script, a sense of what direction they were to move in.
Asked what state the script was in when he arrived on it, Burns said: “It was in a completely reasonable state."
“Cary [Jojo Fukunaga, the director] had a very clear vision of what he wanted to do and I think what he encouraged me to do and then after I left, Phoebe, was to continue to push us towards something that both continued the time honoured traditions of Bond, but also continued to ground it in a world which we live in.[/img]

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"It was in a completely reasonble state" That's damning the script before Burns and Phoebe Waller-Bridge came in with faint praise.

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Number24 wrote:

Writer Scott Z. Burns talks about NTTD ina an interview:
https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment … tt-z-burns


[img]Burns, while not revealing any plot points, said director Fukunaga had a “clear vision” for the Bond 25 movie, and instilled in both Burns and Phoebe Waller-Bridge, who was brought on in April 2019 to edit the script, a sense of what direction they were to move in.
Asked what state the script was in when he arrived on it, Burns said: “It was in a completely reasonable state."
“Cary [Jojo Fukunaga, the director] had a very clear vision of what he wanted to do and I think what he encouraged me to do and then after I left, Phoebe, was to continue to push us towards something that both continued the time honoured traditions of Bond, but also continued to ground it in a world which we live in.[/img]

"It was in a completely reasonble state" That's damning the script before Burns and Phoebe Waller-Bridge came in with faint praise.

Not really understanding where you are coming from on this. I don't see anything negative there. The writer of the article threw in the "Me Too" stuff which was not a quote from Waller-Bridge. Actually what Burns was quoted in the article refutes much of the tab nonsense about the film being a "well polished s..t show". I've no idea how NTTD will actually turn out, but other than a couple setbacks (Craig's injury and the explosives mishap) this production appears to have been anything but a "s..t show". Even the tabs haven't been able to mine anything negative since then. NTTD is now in post production and will finally be in theaters this April to kick off the ever earlier blockbuster season. I remain cautiously optimistic. ajb007/smile  ajb007/martini

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It's being reported elsewhere that "Me, Too stuff" shows up in the final version.  Not sure how to tag this without spoilers in the title, so if someone could help in this regard, I'd appreciate it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/a … -film.html

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Gassy Man wrote:

It's being reported elsewhere that "Me, Too stuff" shows up in the final version.  Not sure how to tag this without spoilers in the title, so if someone could help in this regard, I'd appreciate it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/a … -film.html

Granted, it’s the Mail, but what’s described in the story sounds like harmless fun to me and far short of Bond being emasculated.

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HowardB wrote:
Number24 wrote:

Writer Scott Z. Burns talks about NTTD ina an interview:
https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment … tt-z-burns


[img]Burns, while not revealing any plot points, said director Fukunaga had a “clear vision” for the Bond 25 movie, and instilled in both Burns and Phoebe Waller-Bridge, who was brought on in April 2019 to edit the script, a sense of what direction they were to move in.
Asked what state the script was in when he arrived on it, Burns said: “It was in a completely reasonable state."
“Cary [Jojo Fukunaga, the director] had a very clear vision of what he wanted to do and I think what he encouraged me to do and then after I left, Phoebe, was to continue to push us towards something that both continued the time honoured traditions of Bond, but also continued to ground it in a world which we live in.[/img]

"It was in a completely reasonble state" That's damning the script before Burns and Phoebe Waller-Bridge came in with faint praise.

Not really understanding where you are coming from on this. I don't see anything negative there. The writer of the article threw in the "Me Too" stuff which was not a quote from Waller-Bridge. Actually what Burns was quoted in the article refutes much of the tab nonsense about the film being a "well polished s..t show". I've no idea how NTTD will actually turn out, but other than a couple setbacks (Craig's injury and the explosives mishap) this production appears to have been anything but a "s..t show". Even the tabs haven't been able to mine anything negative since then. NTTD is now in post production and will finally be in theaters this April to kick off the ever earlier blockbuster season. I remain cautiously optimistic. ajb007/smile  ajb007/martini

I'm optimistic about the production too, in spite of the problems it has seen. The script must have had some issues at the time, why else hire more scriptwriters? But I probably should have worded myself better. I expect the script had some problems, but wasn't clode to being a well-polished sh*t show.

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Cheverian wrote:
Gassy Man wrote:

It's being reported elsewhere that "Me, Too stuff" shows up in the final version.  Not sure how to tag this without spoilers in the title, so if someone could help in this regard, I'd appreciate it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/a … -film.html

Granted, it’s the Mail, but what’s described in the story sounds like harmless fun to me and far short of Bond being emasculated.

I think most of what's in the linked article sounds fine, but perhaps it would be better to post the link in the Spoilers thread?
But what does "wokest" mean?

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I think most of what's in the linked article sounds fine, but perhaps it would be better to post the link in the Spoilers thread?
But what does "wokest" mean?

I'm staying away from spoilers at this point so I haven't read the Daily Mail "article"; however I am guessing that "wokest" is being used in this context: Woke is a slang term that is easing into the mainstream from some varieties of a dialect called African American Vernacular English (sometimes called AAVE). In AAVE, awake is often rendered as woke, as in, “I was sleeping, but now I'm woke.” 'Woke' is increasingly used as a byword for social awareness.

I would have no problem with a scene of a male character trying to sexually harass Nomi and getting his ticket punched by her. It could also present an opportunity for a bit of snarky humor from Bond as he takes it all in.

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It would be great to see Nomi punching out a Weinstein wannabe.  ajb007/biggrin

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Cheverian wrote:
Gassy Man wrote:

It's being reported elsewhere that "Me, Too stuff" shows up in the final version.  Not sure how to tag this without spoilers in the title, so if someone could help in this regard, I'd appreciate it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/a … -film.html

Granted, it’s the Mail, but what’s described in the story sounds like harmless fun to me and far short of Bond being emasculated.

I don't think it's earth shattering, but it will all be in the delivery -- the difference between a clever, off-handed remark and an emphasized dressing down or putting one in his or her place.

But Craig himself seems quite determined to present himself as a "woke" Gen-Xer, current with the times.  Sometimes this falls flat not because the intentions may not be noble but the presentation may seem forced or pandering.

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Number24 wrote:
Cheverian wrote:
Gassy Man wrote:

It's being reported elsewhere that "Me, Too stuff" shows up in the final version.  Not sure how to tag this without spoilers in the title, so if someone could help in this regard, I'd appreciate it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/a … -film.html

Granted, it’s the Mail, but what’s described in the story sounds like harmless fun to me and far short of Bond being emasculated.

I think most of what's in the linked article sounds fine, but perhaps it would be better to post the link in the Spoilers thread?
But what does "wokest" mean?

Good point though I only posted it here because it seemed germane to where the discussion was going.

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No problem at all  ajb007/smile

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ajb007/cheers

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But Craig himself seems quite determined to present himself as a "woke" Gen-Xer, current with the times.  Sometimes this falls flat not because the intentions may not be noble but the presentation may seem forced or pandering.

I really don't see where there has been anything forced or "pandering" in the previous Craig Bonds. IMO, Bond's relationships and interactions with women are just reflective of the times.
And that's why you bring in writers like Waller-Bridge and Scott Burns. Fukunaga is no slouch in the writing department either.
Truth be told, things have been so clamped down regarding the particulars of NTTD, the tabs are just taking what little they have and trying to make something out of it. It wouldn't surprise me that the primary cast members have been given "talking points" to respond with to any interviews that tease a bit but really say nothing except NTTD will be surprising and special.

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Please make bond films period pieces after the DC era. It may be the only way to escape the utter nonsense.

1 - Avtak, 2 - Op, 3 - Ltk, 4 - Lald, 5 - Fyeo, 6 - Ohmss, 7 - Sf, 8 - Dn, 9 - Ge, 10 - Daf, 11 - Tmwtgg, 12 - Tswlm, 13 - Mr, 14 - Tld, 15 - Yolt, 16 - Sp, 17 - Gf, 18 - Frwl, 19 - Dad, 20 - Qos, 21 - Tnd, 22 - Twine, 23 - Tb, 24 - Cr

1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby

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" period pieces .... "  ajb007/lol

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

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Thunderpussy wrote:

" period pieces .... "  ajb007/lol

Oh man I just got that...

1 - Avtak, 2 - Op, 3 - Ltk, 4 - Lald, 5 - Fyeo, 6 - Ohmss, 7 - Sf, 8 - Dn, 9 - Ge, 10 - Daf, 11 - Tmwtgg, 12 - Tswlm, 13 - Mr, 14 - Tld, 15 - Yolt, 16 - Sp, 17 - Gf, 18 - Frwl, 19 - Dad, 20 - Qos, 21 - Tnd, 22 - Twine, 23 - Tb, 24 - Cr

1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby

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ajb007/cheers  very funny !  ajb007/biggrin

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

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Nov 6 had 4 tweets (but the same 4K UHD BLu-ray tweet twice) with the first early at 10am GMT and the last that day was the Skyfall NTTD tweet

Nov 8 had 4 tweets with the first early at 10.30am GMT, a 007 Elements tweet, and the last that day was a TWINE tweet but at 12.10pm was an NTTD related tweet and then at 4.34pm a tweet about Bollinger.

Today has had an early tweet at 10am, again the DC's films' 4K UHD Blu-ray tweet. It's now 5-days since the Skyfall NTTD tweet. Will we get a Quantum NTTD tweet today?

UPDATE
The Quantum NTTD 'teaser' is now on Facebook. One assumes it will be on Twitter soon. We have a countdown! Of sorts.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=939940066387514

Are we getting a Casino NTTD post this Thursday or Friday? Could that mean the NTTD teaser next week?

Still nothing, so far today, on the BBFC website. With 3 of the previous 4 DC films having 7-11 days between a BBFC announcement and the teaser trailer drop, BBFC approval will need to happen very soon for teaser drop next week.

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I’m not sure how anyone catch watch the scene in Spectre where Bond pretty much forces himself on the widowed Lucia Sciarra and think that Craig personally insists on playing a woke 007.

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Cheverian wrote:

I’m not sure how anyone catch watch the scene in Spectre where Bond pretty much forces himself on the widowed Lucia Sciarra and think that Craig personally insists on playing a woke 007.

Agreed! That scene is one of the most uncomfortable to watch in the entire series. It’s far more cringeworthy than Connery’s seduction of Molly Peters’ character in Thunderball. I’d put it up there with Roger Moore with the female Brazilian agent in Moonraker.

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Jarvio wrote:

Please make bond films period pieces after the DC era. It may be the only way to escape the utter nonsense.

Most period pieces today are modern interpretations of the old times and do not escape our current times. They always reinterpret them with a modern social ideology. I don't think that making Bond in period will allow them to go back to the things that many people find questionable about the Fleming novels and the 1960s - early 1970s Bond films.  Placing Bond in a different time won't work as an excuse for his questionable traits anymore. If anything, placing a non-smoking feminist Bond in the 1950s would be more awkward than placing him in today's world. In any context, to make Bond the character of the 1950s and 1960s again would necessitate making him the villain.

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The Quantum NTTD 'teaser' is now on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/007/status/1193936427467325443?s=20

Alas still nothing on the BBFC approvals webpage today.

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There's been a lot of talk lately about Bond, women and the relationship between them. I started thinking of LTK and the "Why don't you wait until you're asked?"/"Why don't you ask?" exchange, used twise in the movie. I don't think anyone would find it oppressive/unapropriate to women. But does it place Bond in a negative light? Does it make him look less masculine? I don't think so, but others may have other opinions. I think it's an example of how women and Bond can initiate sex without putting one party in a weaker position, not to mention having Bond stay Bondian. I'm not saying Bond and Bond girls (personally I don't mind the term) always have to ask before making out or having sex, there are countless ways of doing this. Something we're seen a number of times in Bond films, especially the older ones, is Bond kissing women even though the woman has shown any interst in sex with him. Often Bond grabs the woman in a forceful way, even forcing er to kiss him. Since this is Bond, the woman changes her mind and willingly has sex with him. I guess the idea is to portray Bond as powerful and attractive, and that should be a goal in any Bond Movie,but it's problematic. Those scenes can further the idea that women should resist at first to avoid beeing seen as "easy", so a man should force himself on her until she wants sex too. I think Bond movies should instead do those scenes in the way Bond movies usually do it, and even helped pioneer (?). That's the scene where both Bond and the woman engage in guiltless sex where both are the active party from the start. This is both a tradition in Bond movies and very much a part of feminist ideas, that women too can want sex and  act on it.
Any views?

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The thing you have to understand is that Bond is the easiest of targets for the people who make money from creating controversy for clicks. It’s a 50+ year old franchise of undeniably sexist origin currently headlined by a 50 year old white male, with a predominantly male fan base.

What that narrative misses, and hopefully what will resonate with people who are inclined to care about such things in the first place, is that the franchise has been helmed by a woman for the past 25 years, that its most recent film features a level of diversity in front of and behind the camera virtually unheard of in Hollywood blockbusters, and that the basically already character abandoned his sexist tropes 30 years ago. Contrary to the belief of some, male escapist entertainment is neither evil no offensive. Mission Impossible, i.e., imitation Bond, doesn’t ruffle any feathers. Let’s worry about the quality of the film and not become preoccupied with this nonsense.