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Miles Messervy wrote:

EON was ahead of the curve in delaying the film, which gave them the ability to grab a good spot in the fall. Now I think they should take the lead on the streaming idea. They would have a MASSIVE audience with everyone at home. Charge enough for the right to stream it, and they could still turn a large profit.

Yes they definitely made the right choice nice and early. With all the cinema closures around the world it would have happened anyway, but it’s better that it was on their terms.

Regarding streaming it, they’d have to worry about piracy. Films released on streaming platforms turn up on torrent sites within no time at all, in the same high quality. While I’m assuming there’s the old poor quality recording at the cinema version online soon after physical premieres, things released on the big screen take months to get pirated in decent quality. So if they release NTTD exclusively on streaming and charge a bunch to stream it, they’d get a lot that would’ve happily paid to see it on the big screen if available turn to the piracy method, not wanting to pay the premium charged by the streaming service.

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JTM wrote:
Miles Messervy wrote:

EON was ahead of the curve in delaying the film, which gave them the ability to grab a good spot in the fall. Now I think they should take the lead on the streaming idea. They would have a MASSIVE audience with everyone at home. Charge enough for the right to stream it, and they could still turn a large profit.

Yes they definitely made the right choice nice and early. With all the cinema closures around the world it would have happened anyway, but it’s better that it was on their terms.

Regarding streaming it, they’d have to worry about piracy. Films released on streaming platforms turn up on torrent sites within no time at all, in the same high quality. While I’m assuming there’s the old poor quality recording at the cinema version online soon after physical premieres, things released on the big screen take months to get pirated in decent quality. So if they release NTTD exclusively on streaming and charge a bunch to stream it, they’d get a lot that would’ve happily paid to see it on the big screen if available turn to the piracy method, not wanting to pay the premium charged by the streaming service.

According to this article, password sharing of streaming services is just as big a threat as piracy and Torrent sites aren't the big boogey man they once were.
https://nicepeopleatwork.com/blog/the-r … -industry/

I don't think MGM and EON have a choice, there will come a point where the interest payments on the loans for production will begin to really hurt and at that point they will have to stream because the cinemas are unlikely to open until sometime next year IMHO.

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Someone wrote:

JamesBondRadio's Jack Lugo now has a good article on that website about the prospects for an NTTD digital release, and he cites Grace Randolph.
http://jamesbondradio.com/the-prospect- … me-to-die/

Randolph in her Youtube report says streaming services might charge $25 for a major tentpole movie.

so far I don't do the streaming thing (don't do cable either), and there's no way I would pay $25- to see a film at a proper theatre, let alone on my own teevee.
Meaning if this is how they release the film, I may not get a chance to see it until the dvd is released months later.
So no spoilers in November please gang!

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For $25 I would save a lot of money if it allows me something like a 24-hour window to watch it. I could watch it three times. My wife would watch it with me once. That would be about $50 in movie tickets saved.

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Matt S wrote:

For $25 I would save a lot of money if it allows me something like a 24-hour window to watch it. I could watch it three times. My wife would watch it with me once. That would be about $50 in movie tickets saved.

Grace Randolph suggested that people might be able to buy a film, not just a time-limited rental, for between $24.99 and $29.99. I would imagine that they will look closely at how Black Widow and other films do on streaming and what revenue is possible.

I seem to remember many years ago reading that DVD sales could be as high as theatrical grosses for movies, and obviously you're not paying the theatre half of that DVD retail price; so maybe a combined digital/blu-ray deal?

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If movie theaters are up and running by November, NTTD will play in theaters. I don't believe that the industry is ready to abandon theaters just yet despite the trend prior to COVID 19 toward more multi platform releases. Many of the releases that ended up on pay streaming did so out of necessity. Some had began theatrical runs that were cut short, some were not exactly "tentpole" releases and some were probably smaller films that the theatrical release would have been short and somewhat limited anyway. The theater chains also figure into the overall economy.  They employ a very large number of people and pay rent, attract people to malls, restaurants, etc.
I will say that Black Widow will be somewhat of a test case, but the film industry is smart enough to understand that numbers will be skewed do to the current situation ie no other way to see the film, people stuck at home, etc.
IMO, the big "tentpole" releases, especially those that employ large screen technology like IMAX need those theaters for a return on their investment. I can believe that some day in the not too distant future that the theater going experience will morph into more of a specialty niche, primarily of "super theaters" ie IMAX, etc that specialize as being venues for the bigger "spectacles" and will be the only way to see those films for an extended time frame before being made available in other formats. More and more other films will just go directly to streaming.

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I imagine if the theatres reopen by November, at worst we will have the choice of watching it steaming at home or going into the theatre if we dare. They may be wise to start it streaming at the same time just so as to not lose audience that is rightfully wary of going back in a theatre with all those coughing strangers.

If the only choice is streaming, folks with streaming services and nice home entertainment systems oughta invite their moviebuddys over to chip in on a share of that $25-. Just so long as everybody sits 2 metres apart and we don't share the popcorn.

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Should the virus not be under any form of control by summer, I think it will get interesting in August to September, bc that’s when they’ll have to make a decision. There‘s no point in re-starting the promotion for the movie if the fate of the cinema (for November) is still uncertain. Don‘t think it would be a profitable thing to get in full marketing-swing again just to call it off three weeks before release again...

The name is Walker by the way.

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I would have no doubt that EON and their partners are closely keeping an eye on what is going on every day. China appears to be ever so slowly moving toward getting back to "normal". Unfortunately, in the States and other countries we are just moving into the eye of the storm. It would not be a stretch to say EON and partners have multiple plans in place, the preference probably to be able to get NTTD out in theaters in November. When it comes to streaming or even Blu Ray / DVD piracy is always a huge concern. There are hardcore cases, such as my self that even if NTTD was available on pay streaming as long as it was an option (and of course safe) I would still opt to see the film in all its IMAX glory at an IMAX theater. IMO, it's a film that would be best seen in a proper theater.

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I wonder if a cinema could be hired and agree to screen a blu-ray or stream? Aren't the 4K laser projection cinemas these days just projecting a digital file anyway?

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yes this files are called DCP (Digital Cinema Package) but it is possible to link a bluray-player/laptop/... via HDMI with a digital projector

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Someone wrote:

I wonder if a cinema could be hired and agree to screen a blu-ray or stream? Aren't the 4K laser projection cinemas these days just projecting a digital file anyway?

Hypothetically yes. Digital projection in cinemas is done via a DCP which basically a drive that contains the film. Regarding streaming to cinemas, that can also be done. For example, Fathom Events in the USA (don't know if they are in other countries) stream classic films to theaters all over the country, many times from one primary DCP source.  As far as I know, most Digital Cinema's have the capacity to project a DVD or Blu Ray but the image quality would be significantly inferior on a large theater screen than a DCP. DCP's come in both 2K and 4K. It's a bit surprising to note that many DCPs (even though most digital projectors have 4K capacity) are 2K.

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Noi wrote:

yes this files are called DCP (Digital Cinema Package) but it is possible to link a bluray-player/laptop/... via HDMI with a digital projector

Over to you then @TheBondExperience and your Operation Barracuda thing, if NTTD goes VOD you can organise a cinema screening, assume they'll do private screenings. One assumes a cinema manager could open the doors, man the popcorn kiosk and fire up the projector to make a few hundred dollars in one evening.

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I‘m very curious about as to whether or not we‘ll get a little something for the initial release date of April 2nd like a short movie clip or sorts... ajb007/confused

The name is Walker by the way.

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Someone wrote:

I wonder if a cinema could be hired and agree to screen a blu-ray or stream? Aren't the 4K laser projection cinemas these days just projecting a digital file anyway?

This would be illegal and no theaters would do it.

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Some buildings (schools, cultural centers etc) have auditoriums With video cannons and other equipment needed show a movie. As far as I know it wouldn't be illegal to show a movie in such places

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Number24 wrote:

Some buildings (schools, cultural centers etc) have auditoriums With video cannons and other equipment needed show a movie. As far as I know it wouldn't be illegal to show a movie in such places

In a lot of places it would be, or at least it would be to sell more than a couple tickets.

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HalfMonk HalfHitman wrote:
Someone wrote:

I wonder if a cinema could be hired and agree to screen a blu-ray or stream? Aren't the 4K laser projection cinemas these days just projecting a digital file anyway?

This would be illegal and no theaters would do it.

Not arguing with you, just genuinely curious what exactly is illegal about it?

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JTM wrote:
HalfMonk HalfHitman wrote:
Someone wrote:

I wonder if a cinema could be hired and agree to screen a blu-ray or stream? Aren't the 4K laser projection cinemas these days just projecting a digital file anyway?

This would be illegal and no theaters would do it.

Not arguing with you, just genuinely curious what exactly is illegal about it?

There are certain licenses involved with on demand and dvd ownership that prevent public performances. There are numerous cases where a bar would pay for a pay per view sporting event and show it to its patrons. The bars got sued or fined by the FCC.

https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/what- … bar-94096/

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Westward_Drift wrote:
JTM wrote:
HalfMonk HalfHitman wrote:

This would be illegal and no theaters would do it.

Not arguing with you, just genuinely curious what exactly is illegal about it?

There are certain licenses involved with on demand and dvd ownership that prevent public performances. There are numerous cases where a bar would pay for a pay per view sporting event and show it to its patrons. The bars got sued or fined by the FCC.

https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/what- … bar-94096/

Ah interesting, didn't realise that.

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The prohibition of public exhibition is usually included on discs and digital copies of films.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/lRiArWOQ27c/maxresdefault.jpg

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/angry-grandpas-media-library/images/9/9a/Universal_1991_Warning_A.jpg

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HalfMonk HalfHitman wrote:
Someone wrote:

I wonder if a cinema could be hired and agree to screen a blu-ray or stream? Aren't the 4K laser projection cinemas these days just projecting a digital file anyway?

This would be illegal and no theaters would do it.

It's not illegal if it's for me and my pals. I wasn't talking about hiring the cinema and screening it for Joe Public, it's a private party.

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Someone wrote:
HalfMonk HalfHitman wrote:
Someone wrote:

I wonder if a cinema could be hired and agree to screen a blu-ray or stream? Aren't the 4K laser projection cinemas these days just projecting a digital file anyway?

This would be illegal and no theaters would do it.

It's not illegal if it's for me and my pals. I wasn't talking about hiring the cinema and screening it for Joe Public, it's a private party.

I would suggest watching at home with a few pals would be fine. Hiring a public (albeit privately owned) place and screening to more than a few would be illegal.

"Any of the opposition around..?"

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The Red Kind wrote:
Someone wrote:
HalfMonk HalfHitman wrote:

This would be illegal and no theaters would do it.

It's not illegal if it's for me and my pals. I wasn't talking about hiring the cinema and screening it for Joe Public, it's a private party.

I would suggest watching at home with a few pals would be fine. Hiring a public (albeit privately owned) place and screening to more than a few would be illegal.

I can see where this discussion could go. Let me save everyone a lot of unnecessary posts, and go full Joseph Darlington.

"I apologize. I’m really really sorry, I apologize unreservedly. I offer a complete and utter retraction. The imputation was totally without basis in fact, and was in no way fair comment, and was motivated purely by malice, and I deeply regret any distress that my comments may have caused you, or your family, and I hereby undertake not to repeat any such slander at any time in the future."

Phew, did it just in time...

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you know theres a Simpsons episode on this very topic, where Homer holds a backyard movie screening for all his closest friends and gets busted by the FBI?
and the movie they try to watch is ... the latest James Bond: Yesterday Never Tomorrows!!!
Steal This Episode S25E09  January 5, 2014
https://static.simpsonswiki.com/images/0/08/Yesterday_Never_Tomorrows.png
(also Lenny and Carl give an excellent review of Daniel Craig's interpretation of Bond in the same episode)

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But I see a logical error in the above argument:
If the theatre owner were willing to open the theatre for a one time private showing, surely he'd be ready to open the theatre for regular screenings that would actually make real money?
He'd be charging you at least as much for the space rental as he would be forgoing from regular ticket sales.