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Royale-les-Eaux wrote:
phantomvices wrote:

Drama can get tiresome, though. Not everything has to be a petty pissing contest.

I'm not sure if you've ever worked in a British Government department but... ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol

Or any government department for that matter.  ajb007/crap

"I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
-Mr Arlington Beech

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C was one of the consequences of the poor writing of Sp.

If you think about it, he was just some kind of tool to make the threat more credible with having a mole inside MI6. It's a very common way to proceed and it doesn't bother me, although we all agree the character should have been more developed and the guy they casted for the part was probably not the best choice. But I seriously think the issue is deeper.

Wouldn't it have been much more interesting to deal with the matter of mass surveillance like in a whodunit or a thriller ?
C was directly introduced as M's adversary and it was the best way to spoil the film ! From that moment, Blofeld's plot became easy to guess, so did C's betrayal. I have the feeling that the half-brother concept (Bond's secret) was only a clumsy attempt from the screenwriters to compensate such a weakness but it was too late, they were trapped by their own script.

If you take Goldfinger, there were very few clues about AG's motive/plot in the first part of the movie. The storyline was cleverly built to make the audience really appreciate the final twist. Everyting was subtle and stylishly written, whereas Sp was the opposite.

I don't know what to expect from NTTD but I do hope the storyline will be better.

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Yes Sam Mendes was on a podcast recently and said that the third act to Spectre fell apart while they were making the film. He tried to fix it but I guess it doesn't always work.

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I’ll never forget the Sony leaks about Spectre which I read after seeing the film.

The third act was a major concern throughout, a real shame.

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Jflynn2112 wrote:

...

The third act was a major concern throughout, a real shame.

Here's a quote from Entertainment Weekly: "Here’s question: Why is any of this happening?

Here’s an answer: It’s all in Bond’s head. Because he is dying on Blofeld’s operating table."

It's an article from 2015, you can find it here: https://ew.com/article/2015/11/10/spectre-ending/

It's not the best of articles, nor is it the worst, but it puts forward an interesting proposition and maybe even a missed chance to tie down B24 and B25: What if NTTD took of from where Spectre ended? Bond sans Madeline is in the Jamaica, because he is convalescent from the brain drilling?

....just a thought...

"I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
-Mr Arlington Beech

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0073 wrote:

Here's a quote from Entertainment Weekly: "Here’s question: Why is any of this happening?

Here’s an answer: It’s all in Bond’s head. Because he is dying on Blofeld’s operating table."

It's an article from 2015, you can find it here: https://ew.com/article/2015/11/10/spectre-ending/

It's not the best of articles, nor is it the worst, but it puts forward an interesting proposition and maybe even a missed chance to tie down B24 and B25: What if NTTD took of from where Spectre ended? Bond sans Madeline is in the Jamaica, because he is convalescent from the brain drilling? Sorta like the beginning of the TMGG novel, when M throws Bond to the wolves, because he feels Bond is done with after everything he has gone through.

....just a thought...


Well, I don’t believe it for one reason: many people were very disappointed by Sp, mainly because of the third act. The screenwriters were aware of that and I suppose they wanted NTTD to take a brand new direction, otherwise it would be like in the last Star Wars trilogy with each episode trying to erase all the clumsy and irrelevant elements of the previous one. And everyone saw the final result...

The gap of five years in the timeline is supposed to be the consequence of the broken romance with Madeleine and her « betrayal », which has led Bond to Jamaica. And I find the concept clever.

Furthermore, if everything that happened in the third act of Sp was in Bond’s head indeed, having Blofeld jailed with his damaged face in NTTD and telling Bond: « You gave up everything for her » would be a strange coincidence...

I am not saying your idea is not interesting, but it would be very risky to make the torture scene from Sp the starting point of the new movie while many fans just wish to forget all the wrong things that have been done before.

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SeanIsTheOnlyOne wrote:
0073 wrote:

Here's a quote from Entertainment Weekly: "Here’s question: Why is any of this happening?

Here’s an answer: It’s all in Bond’s head. Because he is dying on Blofeld’s operating table."

It's an article from 2015, you can find it here: https://ew.com/article/2015/11/10/spectre-ending/

It's not the best of articles, nor is it the worst, but it puts forward an interesting proposition and maybe even a missed chance to tie down B24 and B25: What if NTTD took of from where Spectre ended? Bond sans Madeline is in the Jamaica, because he is convalescent from the brain drilling? Sorta like the beginning of the TMGG novel, when M throws Bond to the wolves, because he feels Bond is done with after everything he has gone through.

....just a thought...


Well, I don’t believe it for one reason: many people were very disappointed by Sp, mainly because of the third act. The screenwriters were aware of that and I suppose they wanted NTTD to take a brand new direction, otherwise it would be like in the last Star Wars trilogy with each episode trying to erase all the clumsy and irrelevant elements of the previous one. And everyone saw the final result...

The gap of five years in the timeline is supposed to be the consequence of the broken romance with Madeleine and her « betrayal », which has led Bond to Jamaica. And I find the concept clever.

Furthermore, if everything that happened in the third act of Sp was in Bond’s head indeed, having Blofeld jailed with his damaged face in NTTD and telling Bond: « You gave up everything for her » would be a strange coincidence...

I am not saying your idea is not interesting, but it would be very risky to make the torture scene from Sp the starting point of the new movie while many fans just wish to forget all the wrong things that have been done before.

Yeah I know, I'm not saying it IS that way.  ajb007/rolleyes  Even that article doesn't say it is. I was only exploring interesting possibilities had it been that way...

"I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
-Mr Arlington Beech

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Lashana Lynch on No Time to Die and Her Favourite Omega Watch
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lash … -grbljdr8x

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In a new interview, french singer Dalida confirmed a song of hers will be used in NTTD. The very strange thing is that in her Twitter account it says it will be released in a limited edition vinyl on November 13th, 2021
https://twitter.com/Dalida_forever/stat … 76544?s=20

Does it mean, and I wouldn't be surprise at all, the producers have already postponed the movie again?

At this point, with no certainty about whether you can release it or not in the fixed date, I begin to share the idea it would be better a VOD release with a big screening event in London or wherever when all this mess is out.

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Mattia De Varti wrote:

In a new interview, french singer Dalida confirmed a song of hers will be used in NTTD. The very strange thing is that in her Twitter account it says it will be released in a limited edition vinyl on November 13th, 2021
https://twitter.com/Dalida_forever/stat … 76544?s=20

Does it mean, and I wouldn't be surprise at all, the producers have already postponed the movie again?

At this point, with no certainty about whether you can release it or not in the fixed date, I begin to share the idea it would be better a VOD release with a big screening event in London or wherever when all this mess is out.

Regardless of any potential future delay, there's not the money in VOD.

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Here is a little thought for you to ponder on. If it is delayed until November 2021? then let us not forget that 2022 is the 60th Anniversary so it might be kinda cool to have a Bond movie in said Anniversary year especially if we are all vaccinated against the lurgies by then!  ajb007/shifty

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Mattia De Varti wrote:

In a new interview, french singer Dalida confirmed a song of hers will be used in NTTD. The very strange thing is that in her Twitter account it says it will be released in a limited edition vinyl on November 13th, 2021
https://twitter.com/Dalida_forever/stat … 76544?s=20

Does it mean, and I wouldn't be surprise at all, the producers have already postponed the movie again?

At this point, with no certainty about whether you can release it or not in the fixed date, I begin to share the idea it would be better a VOD release with a big screening event in London or wherever when all this mess is out.

It would certainly be amazing if this Dalida was interviewed and has sung for NTTD considering the fact that she killed herself in 1987.
https://www.thenationalnews.com/arts-cu … ida-1.2038

Of course, the song could still be used. Do we think they will make Madeleine's mother French? Mr. White's nationality was always a bit suspect. They need to explain somehow why Madeleine is speaking French when we see her first in Spectre, and she has a French accent. Doesn't Bond say she went to the Sorbonne university in Paris when he meets her?

According to Google translate the song's title translate to 'In the sleeping city'. Is this why Safin is able to walk into Madeleine's house in Norway? Has the woman, we see apparently asleep in the house with Safin standing over her, fallen asleep while listening to this Dalida?

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In fact it's a song she recorded in 1968 in a remixed version for the movie. If you search on You Tube you can easy find the black and white version and this one.
https://youtu.be/bEZb2OpcJE8

Also it states it's meant to release on November 13th, 2020 (actually released November 6th). So probably there was mistake in the Twitter account

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0073 wrote:
Jflynn2112 wrote:

...

The third act was a major concern throughout, a real shame.

Here's a quote from Entertainment Weekly: "Here’s question: Why is any of this happening?

Here’s an answer: It’s all in Bond’s head. Because he is dying on Blofeld’s operating table."

It's an article from 2015, you can find it here: https://ew.com/article/2015/11/10/spectre-ending/

It's not the best of articles, nor is it the worst, but it puts forward an interesting proposition and maybe even a missed chance to tie down B24 and B25: What if NTTD took of from where Spectre ended? Bond sans Madeline is in the Jamaica, because he is convalescent from the brain drilling?

....just a thought...

In an interview Fukunaga actually said he considered this.
https://collider.com/no-time-to-die-ins … -fukunaga/

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Someone wrote:

According to Google translate the song's title translate to 'In the sleeping city'. Is this why Safin is able to walk into Madeleine's house in Norway? Has the woman, we see apparently asleep in the house with Safin standing over her, fallen asleep while listening to this Dalida?

I think it could be a plausible option. I had thought about the song playing while Bond and Madeleine have sex in their Matera's hotel room...

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Mattia De Varti wrote:
Someone wrote:

According to Google translate the song's title translate to 'In the sleeping city'. Is this why Safin is able to walk into Madeleine's house in Norway? Has the woman, we see apparently asleep in the house with Safin standing over her, fallen asleep while listening to this Dalida?

I think it could be a plausible option. I had thought about the song playing while Bond and Madeleine have sex in their Matera's hotel room...

We know that a Wall Street Journal journalist was shown the PTS and they reported that there are a lot of subtitles in the Norway sequence. Looking at Fukunaga's past work, putting a French song into NTTD would not surprise me in the least. Due to his past work I am also expecting a lot of subtitles in NTTD.

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Someone wrote:
Mattia De Varti wrote:
Someone wrote:

According to Google translate the song's title translate to 'In the sleeping city'. Is this why Safin is able to walk into Madeleine's house in Norway? Has the woman, we see apparently asleep in the house with Safin standing over her, fallen asleep while listening to this Dalida?

I think it could be a plausible option. I had thought about the song playing while Bond and Madeleine have sex in their Matera's hotel room...

We know that a Wall Street Journal journalist was shown the PTS and they reported that there are a lot of subtitles in the Norway sequence. Looking at Fukunaga's past work, putting a French song into NTTD would not surprise me in the latest. Due to his past work I am also expecting a lot of subtitles in NTTD.

In SF there was also a French song, « Boum ! » by Charles Trenet. You can here it on Silva’s island.

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Mattia De Varti wrote:

In fact it's a song she recorded in 1968 in a remixed version for the movie. If you search on You Tube you can easy find the black and white version and this one.
https://youtu.be/bEZb2OpcJE8

Also it states it's meant to release on November 13th, 2020 (actually released November 6th). So probably there was mistake in the Twitter account

I just Googled the French release date for NTTD and it was going to be November 11th.

That Twitter account is for the 'official' Dalida website which appears to be run by her brother.
https://dalida.com/mentions-legales.html
https://dalida.com/orlando.html

And the website links to an 'official' Youtube channel which has a very professional looking new video for that song which is done in the style of the Bond gun barrel and titles. A lyric video, didn't they do an official lyric video for Skyfall?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEZb2OpcJE8

It's a very involved Dalida fan prank if that is all it is. Maybe you can produce a video like that on a Mac in your bedroom I don't know.

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Someone wrote:
Mattia De Varti wrote:
Someone wrote:

According to Google translate the song's title translate to 'In the sleeping city'. Is this why Safin is able to walk into Madeleine's house in Norway? Has the woman, we see apparently asleep in the house with Safin standing over her, fallen asleep while listening to this Dalida?

I think it could be a plausible option. I had thought about the song playing while Bond and Madeleine have sex in their Matera's hotel room...

We know that a Wall Street Journal journalist was shown the PTS and they reported that there are a lot of subtitles in the Norway sequence. Looking at Fukunaga's past work, putting a French song into NTTD would not surprise me in the least. Due to his past work I am also expecting a lot of subtitles in NTTD.

Haha, that's right. It will be something to see the reaction when people go into theaters for the first time in literal year(s) to see a Bond film and are greeted with a PTS entirely in French!

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RTL France confirms it:
https://twitter.com/RTLFrance/status/13 … 1810192384

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Red_Snow wrote:

RTL France confirms it:
https://twitter.com/RTLFrance/status/13 … 1810192384

Maybe. They may just be repeating the 'official' Dalida website claim. Can anyone translate what he is saying?

I'm going to laugh my head off if American director Fukunaga has made the most Euro-cinema style Bond film ever.

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I'm theorising that this Dalida song will likely be used during either the love scene or some sort of death scene - maybe Madeleine's mother, or her reminiscing on it or even just hearing it and it triggers a flashback or something.

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An old friend and a beer...
https://i.postimg.cc/2Lzt8YJG/129030836-133073901725339-2354651574910866653-n.jpg

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Someone wrote:

We know that a Wall Street Journal journalist was shown the PTS and they reported that there are a lot of subtitles in the Norway sequence. Looking at Fukunaga's past work, putting a French song into NTTD would not surprise me in the least. Due to his past work I am also expecting a lot of subtitles in NTTD.

I'd love that!  It's possible the subtitles language is French and not Norwegian, but I like it when "foreigners" speak their own language and subtitles are used.