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emtiem wrote:

More likely Cuban actually: see my post above.

I guess that's where Bond meets Ana de Armas's character.

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walther p99 wrote:
emtiem wrote:

More likely Cuban actually: see my post above.

I guess that's where Bond meets Ana de Armas's character.

MI6Community has Instagram pictures from an extra that show she is a Cuban dancer.
https://www.mi6community.com/discussion … llowed/p72

The Instagram user is yourserotonin_ but she seems to have removed the Bond25 pic now.

So, those were Cuban number plates on the Land Rover in the DC, Wright, Magnussen pics and the revolutionary murals in Jamaica were not, 'just there,' they are part of the film.

Cuba confirmed.

And Billy Magnussen has a story on Instagram and if you look in the background of this brief video it appears to show the high walls we see in the Pinewood backlot pic found at MI6Community and in earlier posts on this thread.
https://www.instagram.com/stories/billymagnussen/

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Obviously, we know at this point that the locations are Norway, Jamaica (also standing in for Cuba), Cuba (ala Jamaica and studio magic), Italy and of course London. I would say that is a pretty good bunch of locations by Bond standards. More importantly, despite Craig's injury, the production has not shut down and continues to film around him while he recovers.

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HowardB wrote:

Obviously, we know at this point that the locations are Norway, Jamaica (also standing in for Cuba), Cuba (ala Jamaica and studio magic), Italy and of course London. I would say that is a pretty good bunch of locations by Bond standards. More importantly, despite Craig's injury, the production has not shut down and continues to film around him while he recovers.

I would say the only location where we know parts of the film will take place - as opposed to where it is being filmed - is Jamaica. Norway and London are also a safe bets, but I don’t think either have been confirmed. Everything besides Jamaica is just speculation, albeit educated speculation.

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I'll be surprised if The  Atlantic Sea Road stands in for another country, but I'm less sure where the frozen lake is supposed to be. We also don't know if Matera will be shot as Italy.

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Someone wrote:
walther p99 wrote:
emtiem wrote:

More likely Cuban actually: see my post above.

I guess that's where Bond meets Ana de Armas's character.

MI6Community has Instagram pictures from an extra that show she is a Cuban dancer.
https://www.mi6community.com/discussion … llowed/p72

The Instagram user is yourserotonin_ but she seems to have removed the Bond25 pic now.

So, those were Cuban number plates on the Land Rover in the DC, Wright, Magnussen pics and the revolutionary murals in Jamaica were not, 'just there,' they are part of the film.

Cuba confirmed.

Cuba is confirmed, but the driving scenes we saw weren’t being set there.
It looks like they have a massive Havana set on the backlot for that sort of thing!

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Fukunaga has posted a picture with what appears to be a cheeky made-up clapperboard for IMAX dated 13 June.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Byq_G5hhYGI/

It could be a Cuba scene with what appears to be a dilapidated building, and I imagine its part of this Pinewood backlot set based on the date.

It's scene 108H, which would put it after the first hour mark, somewhere between an hour and an hour 15 minutes, is my estimate.

In Casino Royale, in the script, scene 108 is on page 47 and is part of Bond and Vesper's arrival at Casino Royale. In the film it's at 1 hour 4 minutes. The CR script does not have any scenes that are H, it has a 71A, 74A, 78B, 79A and 79B.

In Spectre, scene 108 is on page 74 of the script (dated December 1 2014 and Pink revisions) and it is where Bond and Madeleine walk through a Tangier market, aka souk, which can be seen in the film at 1 hour 17 minutes.

The use of an H on a scene maybe a worrying sign of how rewritten Bond25 is. Casino Royale only has 71A, 74A, 78B, 79A and 79B, for scenes where additional scenes have been added and numbered XA, XB etc.

Essentially, in scripts, typically it is only numbers, 1 2, 3, etc, but when scenes are added to that original numbered scene, they get a letter. 

The 12/1/14 Spectre script has A LOT of additional scenes. They are, (12A), 13A, (18A, 18B), (44A), 56A, 60A, 60B, 71A, 71B, 71C, 71D, 73A, 73B, 94A, 101A, (107A, 107B), 109A, 111A, 116A, 116B, (116C), 116D, (117A, 117B), 117C, 117D, 117E, 133A, (135A), 136A, 139A, 142A, 143A, 143B, (144A), 144B, 144C, 144D, 144E, 146A, 151A, 151B, 151C, 152A, 153A, 153B, 153C, 153D, [Scenes 154-169 omitted], 170A, 170B, 173A, 173B, 173C, 173D, 173E, 173F, [Scenes 174-189 omitted], (184A, 194B), 194C, 194D, 195A, 195B and 197A.

Scenes in brackets were said to be omitted in the 12/1/14 script, meaning they had been dropped from previous versions. I included in parentheses other scenes that had been omitted as they are larger in number, for example scenes 154 to 169, dropped, 15 scenes. It's an indication of the huge changes the Spectre script went through.

Also worryingly, the Spectre script did not get to an H. It got to an F, at the most. And we know that Bond25 has already had a K, with scene 15K. (https://www.ajb007.co.uk/post/946706/#p946706)

The scenes that had A-F were to do with Bond in the old MI6 building when he encounters Blofeld again. The other scenes with more additional scenes, beyond just an A and B are 116, which went to up D, 117 which went up to E, 144 which also went up to E, and 153 and 194 which both went up to a D.

117 is where M and Moneypenny get to Whitehall to be told by C that Nine Eyes is now going ahead, while 144 is the cut dining room card game scene which is ultimately replaced by the torture scene, and 144's A-E also covers Bond and Madeleine's escape. Scene 117 has its A and B dropped, so what stays and what goes can be quite complicated.

The half way mark of any movie is usually a big conflict scene between the antagonist and protagonist, and 108H could be at the 1 hour 10 minute mark, half way through a 2h 20 minute film. Cuba would seem to be an appropriate location for such a conflict. The fact that it is an IMAX scene would also suggest an action sequence.

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Is it for IMAX or is he just standing a long way away? ajb007/smile


I’m joking of course: I can see it’s written on it.

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Someone wrote:

Fukunaga has posted a picture with what appears to be a cheeky made-up clapperboard for IMAX dated 13 June.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Byq_G5hhYGI/

It could be a Cuba scene with what appears to be a dilapidated building, and I imagine its part of this Pinewood backlot set based on the date.

It's scene 108H, which would put it after the first hour mark, somewhere between an hour and an hour 15 minutes, is my estimate.

In Casino Royale, in the script, scene 108 is on page 47 and is part of Bond and Vesper's arrival at Casino Royale. In the film it's at 1 hour 4 minutes. The CR script does not have any scenes that are H, it has a 71A, 74A, 78B, 79A and 79B.

In Spectre, scene 108 is on page 74 of the script (dated December 1 2014 and Pink revisions) and it is where Bond and Madeleine walk through a Tangier market, aka souk, which can be seen in the film at 1 hour 17 minutes.

The use of an H on a scene maybe a worrying sign of how rewritten Bond25 is. Casino Royale only has 71A, 74A, 78B, 79A and 79B, for scenes where additional scenes have been added and numbered XA, XB etc.

Essentially, in scripts, typically it is only numbers, 1 2, 3, etc, but when scenes are added to that original numbered scene, they get a letter. 

The 12/1/14 Spectre script has A LOT of additional scenes. They are, (12A), 13A, (18A, 18B), (44A), 56A, 60A, 60B, 71A, 71B, 71C, 71D, 73A, 73B, 94A, 101A, (107A, 107B), 109A, 111A, 116A, 116B, (116C), 116D, (117A, 117B), 117C, 117D, 117E, 133A, (135A), 136A, 139A, 142A, 143A, 143B, (144A), 144B, 144C, 144D, 144E, 146A, 151A, 151B, 151C, 152A, 153A, 153B, 153C, 153D, [Scenes 154-169 omitted], 170A, 170B, 173A, 173B, 173C, 173D, 173E, 173F, [Scenes 174-189 omitted], (184A, 194B), 194C, 194D, 195A, 195B and 197A.

Scenes in brackets were said to be omitted in the 12/1/14 script, meaning they had been dropped from previous versions. I included in parentheses other scenes that had been omitted as they are larger in number, for example scenes 154 to 169, dropped, 15 scenes. It's an indication of the huge changes the Spectre script went through.

Also worryingly, the Spectre script did not get to an H. It got to an F, at the most. And we know that Bond25 has already had a K, with scene 15K. (https://www.ajb007.co.uk/post/946706/#p946706)

The scenes that had A-F were to do with Bond in the old MI6 building when he encounters Blofeld again. The other scenes with more additional scenes, beyond just an A and B are 116, which went to up D, 117 which went up to E, 144 which also went up to E, and 153 and 194 which both went up to a D.

117 is where M and Moneypenny get to Whitehall to be told by C that Nine Eyes is now going ahead, while 144 is the cut dining room card game scene which is ultimately replaced by the torture scene, and 144's A-E also covers Bond and Madeleine's escape. Scene 117 has its A and B dropped, so what stays and what goes can be quite complicated.

The half way mark of any movie is usually a big conflict scene between the antagonist and protagonist, and 108H could be at the 1 hour 10 minute mark, half way through a 2h 20 minute film. Cuba would seem to be an appropriate location for such a conflict. The fact that it is an IMAX scene would also suggest an action sequence.

No, it's much more simple than that:

If you take Sean Connery's age when filming Dr. No, divided by the year in which it was released, multiplied by the number of the book in the series, then add that to the square root of the latitude of Ocho Rios, minus Daniel Craig's age at the time of filming Casino Royale, you get the exact time when Ursula Andress appears on the beach. The H stands for Honey.

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clublos wrote:
Someone wrote:

Fukunaga has posted a picture with what appears to be a cheeky made-up clapperboard for IMAX dated 13 June.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Byq_G5hhYGI/

It could be a Cuba scene with what appears to be a dilapidated building, and I imagine its part of this Pinewood backlot set based on the date.

It's scene 108H, which would put it after the first hour mark, somewhere between an hour and an hour 15 minutes, is my estimate.

In Casino Royale, in the script, scene 108 is on page 47 and is part of Bond and Vesper's arrival at Casino Royale. In the film it's at 1 hour 4 minutes. The CR script does not have any scenes that are H, it has a 71A, 74A, 78B, 79A and 79B.

In Spectre, scene 108 is on page 74 of the script (dated December 1 2014 and Pink revisions) and it is where Bond and Madeleine walk through a Tangier market, aka souk, which can be seen in the film at 1 hour 17 minutes.

The use of an H on a scene maybe a worrying sign of how rewritten Bond25 is. Casino Royale only has 71A, 74A, 78B, 79A and 79B, for scenes where additional scenes have been added and numbered XA, XB etc.

Essentially, in scripts, typically it is only numbers, 1 2, 3, etc, but when scenes are added to that original numbered scene, they get a letter. 

The 12/1/14 Spectre script has A LOT of additional scenes. They are, (12A), 13A, (18A, 18B), (44A), 56A, 60A, 60B, 71A, 71B, 71C, 71D, 73A, 73B, 94A, 101A, (107A, 107B), 109A, 111A, 116A, 116B, (116C), 116D, (117A, 117B), 117C, 117D, 117E, 133A, (135A), 136A, 139A, 142A, 143A, 143B, (144A), 144B, 144C, 144D, 144E, 146A, 151A, 151B, 151C, 152A, 153A, 153B, 153C, 153D, [Scenes 154-169 omitted], 170A, 170B, 173A, 173B, 173C, 173D, 173E, 173F, [Scenes 174-189 omitted], (184A, 194B), 194C, 194D, 195A, 195B and 197A.

Scenes in brackets were said to be omitted in the 12/1/14 script, meaning they had been dropped from previous versions. I included in parentheses other scenes that had been omitted as they are larger in number, for example scenes 154 to 169, dropped, 15 scenes. It's an indication of the huge changes the Spectre script went through.

Also worryingly, the Spectre script did not get to an H. It got to an F, at the most. And we know that Bond25 has already had a K, with scene 15K. (https://www.ajb007.co.uk/post/946706/#p946706)

The scenes that had A-F were to do with Bond in the old MI6 building when he encounters Blofeld again. The other scenes with more additional scenes, beyond just an A and B are 116, which went to up D, 117 which went up to E, 144 which also went up to E, and 153 and 194 which both went up to a D.

117 is where M and Moneypenny get to Whitehall to be told by C that Nine Eyes is now going ahead, while 144 is the cut dining room card game scene which is ultimately replaced by the torture scene, and 144's A-E also covers Bond and Madeleine's escape. Scene 117 has its A and B dropped, so what stays and what goes can be quite complicated.

The half way mark of any movie is usually a big conflict scene between the antagonist and protagonist, and 108H could be at the 1 hour 10 minute mark, half way through a 2h 20 minute film. Cuba would seem to be an appropriate location for such a conflict. The fact that it is an IMAX scene would also suggest an action sequence.

No, it's much more simple than that:

If you take Sean Connery's age when filming Dr. No, divided by the year in which it was released, multiplied by the number of the book in the series, then add that to the square root of the latitude of Ocho Rios, minus Daniel Craig's age at the time of filming Casino Royale, you get the exact time when Ursula Andress appears on the beach. The H stands for Honey.

ajb007/biggrin

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clublos wrote:

No, it's much more simple than that:

If you take Sean Connery's age when filming Dr. No, divided by the year in which it was released, multiplied by the number of the book in the series, then add that to the square root of the latitude of Ocho Rios, minus Daniel Craig's age at the time of filming Casino Royale, you get the exact time when Ursula Andress appears on the beach. The H stands for Honey.

Damn, I forgot to minus DC's age.

Hangs head in shame...

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Someone wrote:

Fukunaga has posted a picture with what appears to be a cheeky made-up clapperboard for IMAX dated 13 June.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Byq_G5hhYGI/

It could be a Cuba scene with what appears to be a dilapidated building, and I imagine its part of this Pinewood backlot set based on the date.

It's scene 108H, which would put it after the first hour mark, somewhere between an hour and an hour 15 minutes, is my estimate.

In Casino Royale, in the script, scene 108 is on page 47 and is part of Bond and Vesper's arrival at Casino Royale. In the film it's at 1 hour 4 minutes. The CR script does not have any scenes that are H, it has a 71A, 74A, 78B, 79A and 79B.

In Spectre, scene 108 is on page 74 of the script (dated December 1 2014 and Pink revisions) and it is where Bond and Madeleine walk through a Tangier market, aka souk, which can be seen in the film at 1 hour 17 minutes.

The use of an H on a scene maybe a worrying sign of how rewritten Bond25 is. Casino Royale only has 71A, 74A, 78B, 79A and 79B, for scenes where additional scenes have been added and numbered XA, XB etc.

Essentially, in scripts, typically it is only numbers, 1 2, 3, etc, but when scenes are added to that original numbered scene, they get a letter. 

The 12/1/14 Spectre script has A LOT of additional scenes. They are, (12A), 13A, (18A, 18B), (44A), 56A, 60A, 60B, 71A, 71B, 71C, 71D, 73A, 73B, 94A, 101A, (107A, 107B), 109A, 111A, 116A, 116B, (116C), 116D, (117A, 117B), 117C, 117D, 117E, 133A, (135A), 136A, 139A, 142A, 143A, 143B, (144A), 144B, 144C, 144D, 144E, 146A, 151A, 151B, 151C, 152A, 153A, 153B, 153C, 153D, [Scenes 154-169 omitted], 170A, 170B, 173A, 173B, 173C, 173D, 173E, 173F, [Scenes 174-189 omitted], (184A, 194B), 194C, 194D, 195A, 195B and 197A.

Scenes in brackets were said to be omitted in the 12/1/14 script, meaning they had been dropped from previous versions. I included in parentheses other scenes that had been omitted as they are larger in number, for example scenes 154 to 169, dropped, 15 scenes. It's an indication of the huge changes the Spectre script went through.

Also worryingly, the Spectre script did not get to an H. It got to an F, at the most. And we know that Bond25 has already had a K, with scene 15K. (https://www.ajb007.co.uk/post/946706/#p946706)

The scenes that had A-F were to do with Bond in the old MI6 building when he encounters Blofeld again. The other scenes with more additional scenes, beyond just an A and B are 116, which went to up D, 117 which went up to E, 144 which also went up to E, and 153 and 194 which both went up to a D.

117 is where M and Moneypenny get to Whitehall to be told by C that Nine Eyes is now going ahead, while 144 is the cut dining room card game scene which is ultimately replaced by the torture scene, and 144's A-E also covers Bond and Madeleine's escape. Scene 117 has its A and B dropped, so what stays and what goes can be quite complicated.

The half way mark of any movie is usually a big conflict scene between the antagonist and protagonist, and 108H could be at the 1 hour 10 minute mark, half way through a 2h 20 minute film. Cuba would seem to be an appropriate location for such a conflict. The fact that it is an IMAX scene would also suggest an action sequence.

If the scene is indeed set in Cuba, and we assume de Armas is playing a Cuban. Could the rewrites be down to her addition to the cast? Fukunaga and Waller Bridge could have adapted a different character to fit her casting, and everything adjusted slightly to fit in with that?

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Red_Snow wrote:
Someone wrote:

Fukunaga has posted a picture with what appears to be a cheeky made-up clapperboard for IMAX dated 13 June.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Byq_G5hhYGI/

It could be a Cuba scene with what appears to be a dilapidated building, and I imagine its part of this Pinewood backlot set based on the date.

It's scene 108H, which would put it after the first hour mark, somewhere between an hour and an hour 15 minutes, is my estimate.

If the scene is indeed set in Cuba, and we assume de Armas is playing a Cuban. Could the rewrites be down to her addition to the cast? Fukunaga and Waller Bridge could have adapted a different character to fit her casting, and everything adjusted slightly to fit in with that?

Yes, with scene 108 Bond arrives in Cuba, and then scenes A through H, are him meeting Paloma. It's possible.

It certainly suggests that the film is essentially in the Caribbean after the Norway flashback until half way through the second act at least.

If Purvis & Wade decided to follow Casino's structure, then it almost coincides with the point at which Bond meets Vesper in CR.

In Casino, after the PTS, we see Bond in Madagascar and then after a very brief return to London, in M's flat, he spends the next 27 minutes, a third of the second act, in the Caribbean and Miami.

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Surprised that nobody has shared a link to this story from *Sick Taste In Mouth* The Daily Mail yet:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … YIBL8G-87I

Main thing to take away from the article is a look at what I think is possible the Porton Down lab/offices set that was being blown up on the 007 stage when the accident happened:


https://i.postimg.cc/753y6NjJ/14793198-7142337-image-a-6-1560525704085-1.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/94cHq7j8/14793204-7142337-image-m-5-1560525691179.jpg



Or to zoom in a bit:


https://i.postimg.cc/kVYYX6Mt/sdfghjk.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/rdgXGwV8/14793198-7142337-image-a-6-1560525704085.jpg

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This just posted on the Official 007 Twitter:


https://i.postimg.cc/21b7FcC3/Untitled-sdcdscsdc.jpg

As @GregWInsight is the Twitter handle of photographer Greg Williams, who did the behind-the-scenes photography books for Die Another Day, Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace and Skyfall lets hope that he is going to be doing another one for Bond 25.

Bond: More of a Problem Eliminator.

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Aston Martin DBS wrote:

Surprised that nobody has shared a link to this story from *Sick Taste In Mouth* The Daily Mail yet:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … YIBL8G-87I

Main thing to take away from the article is a look at what I think is possible the Porton Down lab/offices set that was being blown up on the 007 stage when the accident happened:


https://i.postimg.cc/753y6NjJ/14793198-7142337-image-a-6-1560525704085-1.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/94cHq7j8/14793204-7142337-image-m-5-1560525691179.jpg



Or to zoom in a bit:


https://i.postimg.cc/kVYYX6Mt/sdfghjk.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/rdgXGwV8/14793198-7142337-image-a-6-1560525704085.jpg

Some newspaper (I won't bother to find the link ….. at least yet) the explosion that went wrong was for  a scene where a laboratory is blown up. I'm jumping to the conclusion that it was a bioweapons lab - it's not a long jump. Was the laboratory supposed to be in Porton Down or a secret lab in Cuba or some other location?

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Aston Martin DBS wrote:

This just posted on the Official 007 Twitter:


https://i.postimg.cc/21b7FcC3/Untitled-sdcdscsdc.jpg

As @GregWInsight is the Twitter handle of photographer Greg Williams, who did the behind-the-scenes photography books for Die Another Day, Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace and Skyfall lets hope that he is going to be doing another one for Bond 25.


Fingers crossed ajb007/smile

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Aston Martin DBS wrote:

This just posted on the Official 007 Twitter:


https://i.postimg.cc/21b7FcC3/Untitled-sdcdscsdc.jpg

As @GregWInsight is the Twitter handle of photographer Greg Williams, who did the behind-the-scenes photography books for Die Another Day, Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace and Skyfall lets hope that he is going to be doing another one for Bond 25.

Like the 007 Gym sign in background  ajb007/biggrin

Deserves better pic:

https://i.postimg.cc/mTWvYGyn/Untitled-sdcdscsdc.jpg?dl=1

Last edited by welshboy78 (15th Jun 2019 17:07)

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Aston Martin DBS wrote:

This just posted on the Official 007 Twitter:


https://i.postimg.cc/21b7FcC3/Untitled-sdcdscsdc.jpg

As @GregWInsight is the Twitter handle of photographer Greg Williams, who did the behind-the-scenes photography books for Die Another Day, Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace and Skyfall lets hope that he is going to be doing another one for Bond 25.

Love those books so much. Very disappointing that he wasn't there for Spectre. Fingers crossed this means a bond 25 book

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I have no idea how trustworthy this is, but since there's barely any news now and this looks cool and Bondian I think it's worth a look (first posted in MI6Community and translated by GGL007):

Really weird piece of news in Spanish newspaper: https://www.lavanguardia.com/economia/2 … ium=social

It is about a Canadian making turistic submarines, but: "también de Sant Cugat podrán salir las primeras unidades de Neptune, un submarino de lujo, creado en colaboración con Aston Martin y que fuentes bien informadas aseguran que hará su aparición en la próxima película de James Bond."

"also from Sant Cugat will be able to leave the first units of Neptune, a luxury submarine, created in collaboration with Aston Martin and which informed sources assure that it will make its appearance in the next James Bond movie. "

???

This is the Project Neptune: https://tritonsubs.com/projectneptune/


https://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/jpg/201805/project-neptune-asto-2.jpg

https://img.futurezone.de/img/digital-life/crop212083797/3932608434-w820-cv16_9-q85/NeptuneHero2.jpg

Last edited by Number24 (16th Jun 2019 19:10)

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Thanks for quoting me, Number24.

It's not a newspaper like The Sun or The Mirror, but I don't know how reliable this could be...

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Think I read about the Aston sub development quite a while ago if I remember rightly

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723

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It would help Bond parking at the bottom of the Tiber  ajb007/wink

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

724

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I don't know if it's true, but I certainly hope it's true.

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It's not impossible of course; who knows.

I am intrigued by the concept of a 'luxury submarine' though. Is there really a gap in the market for a luxury submarine? ajb007/biggrin