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HowardB wrote:

I warned you all not to fall into the "Cruise trap" and here we go again. Stop ruining NTTD for yourself before you even see it. I can't believe how much of this Bond film inferiority complex has reared its ugly head around here just based upon Craig not doing all his own stunts..... I understand people being less than enthusiastic based on the film's difficult pre-production history, not caring for Craig as Bond, etc, etc.....but over how many of his own stunts Craig does? This is just irrational. What if NTTD turns out to be a great Bond film, will you dismiss it because Craig didn't do his own stunt driving or jump off a freaking bridge? Now I understand why EON doesn't like the videos of filming getting out. You want to see people doing their own stunts....go to the circus. Sorry for the rant, but I had to get that off my chest. ajb007/insane

Just to clarify, from my earlier post, I'm not having a go at DC not doing his own stunts, RM is my favourite Bond, so that doesn't bother me ajb007/bond  It's the CGI on the faces in less intensive scenes, such as the drive across the bridge in Norway and the other shots before the actual stunt taking place.

"Any of the opposition around..?"

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Please forgive me, I do have a bad habit of bringing in the Tom Cruise comparison, I know he is quite exceptional. I also agree that Craig has been pretty good about stunts in his past Bond films. I think this feeling stems more from seeing a stuntman with dots on his face every time there is some NTTD photos released. Case in point, driving the Aston Martin across a bridge. I don't expect Craig to do everything, but I would like him to do everything the insurance companies allow him to do, and I feel like he is deferring to the stuntmen quite a lot, judging by what we've seen so far.

"Unfortunately I misjudged you. You're just a stupid policeman, who's luck has run out." -Dr. Julius No

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Here's something I thought of after I recovered from my last rant and had a moment of clarity ajb007/lol . Is it possible, other than the obviously high risk stunts that much of the doubling for more mundane things is being done for the sake of time and efficiency and to ensure this film is completed on time with an amount of time left for post production....especially given the troubled pre-production and delays?  Think about it....while the second unit was in Norway or Italy, Craig and the first unit were at Pinewood.....shooting scenes. Scenes which apparently included a pretty major gun battle and who knows what else? I think we tend to forget the extent of what can be done at a major studio facility like Pinewood; especially scenes that require effects or pyrotechnics (well most times anyway ajb007/insane ). IMO, it just wouldn't make sense to have Craig haul off to Norway or Italy just to drive a car down a road while he could be shooting other scenes which actually require acting. From my perspective, it just appears that Fukunaga and EON, despite a difficult gestation are finally running a pretty efficient and well organized production.

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HowardB wrote:

IMO, it just wouldn't make sense to have Craig haul off to Norway or Italy just to drive a car down a road while he could be shooting other scenes which actually require acting. From my perspective, it just appears that Fukunaga and EON, despite a difficult gestation are finally running a pretty efficient and well organized production.

And personally, for the quality of the action, I would prefer a professional stunt driver doing some daring maneuvers that a normal driver like Craig wouldn't be able to pull off. Makes the scenes more exciting and improves the action sequences.

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Braxo wrote:
HowardB wrote:

IMO, it just wouldn't make sense to have Craig haul off to Norway or Italy just to drive a car down a road while he could be shooting other scenes which actually require acting. From my perspective, it just appears that Fukunaga and EON, despite a difficult gestation are finally running a pretty efficient and well organized production.

And personally, for the quality of the action, I would prefer a professional stunt driver doing some daring maneuvers that a normal driver like Craig wouldn't be able to pull off. Makes the scenes more exciting and improves the action sequences.

Or some bad CGI

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A couple of members of the Other Place are actually in Matera and they wrote today that they spoke with Barbara Broccoli, DC's female assistant (LOL), and she said that the teaser trailer was ready and will be released soon.

I've been wondering how the teaser trailers reflect the synopses and if the synopsis can give any clues to what might be in the teaser.

Spectre's teaser trailer (watch here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ashLaclKCik) does overlap with the synposis, which is; "A cryptic message from the past leads James Bond (Daniel Craig) to Mexico City and Rome, where he meets the beautiful widow (Monica Bellucci) of an infamous criminal. After infiltrating a secret meeting, 007 uncovers the existence of the sinister organization SPECTRE. Needing the help of the daughter of an old nemesis, he embarks on a mission to find her. As Bond ventures toward the heart of SPECTRE, he discovers a chilling connection between himself and the enemy (Christoph Waltz) he seeks."

I have put in italics the parts of the synopsis that overlaps the trailer and as you can see it is quite a lot. You could argue that the reference to 'a cryptic message from the past' is in the trailer as Moneypenny hands Bond the box of Skyfall effects, but we know the cryptic message is actually M's recorded message.

Skyfalls' teaser trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24mTIE4D9JM) on the other hand has very little overlap. After the brief pyscho-analysis interview the trailer is a series of shots, and some shots, refer to what is in the synopsis; but it's hindsight that helps. The synopsis says: "When James Bond's (Daniel Craig) latest assignment goes terribly wrong(We see a flash of Bond with Ronson), it leads to a calamitous turn of events(We see the flag draped coffins): Undercover agents around the world are exposed, and MI6 is attacked, forcing M (Judi Dench) to relocate the agency. With MI6 now compromised inside and out, M turns to the one man she can trust: Bond. Aided only by a field agent (Naomie Harris)(We see Naomie Harris in a shot), Bond takes to the shadows and follows a trail to Silva (Javier Bardem), a man from M's past who wants to settle an old score."

Quantum's  teaser trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irmi2UR1hYo) has virtually no overlaps and the teaser gives the impression that the story is a Bond gone rogue, which I suppose could be 'personal'.
"Following the death of Vesper Lynd, James Bond (Daniel Craig) makes his next mission personal. The hunt for those who blackmailed his lover leads him to ruthless businessman Dominic Greene (Mathieu Amalric), a key player in the organization which coerced Vesper. Bond learns that Greene is plotting to gain total control of a vital natural resource, and he must navigate a minefield of danger and treachery to foil the plan."

Casino's synopsis is: "After receiving a license to kill, British Secret Service agent James Bond (Daniel Craig) heads to Madagascar, where he uncovers a link to Le Chiffre (Mads Mikkelsen), a man who finances terrorist organizations. Learning that Le Chiffre plans to raise money in a high-stakes poker game, MI6 sends Bond to play against him, gambling that their newest "00" operative will topple the man's organization." Like Skyfall and Quantum, Casino's synopsis and teaser also have very little overlap. Bar the zoom in on DC at the poker table right at the end of the teaser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LozaiZBdji0), we don't see Montenegro, the teaser is mainly the Madagascar and Bahamas scenes, and the only two people referenced in the synopsis are Bond and Le Chiffre.

So, we can say that the teasers generally have very little in common with the synopsis. As we've heard via MI6-hq.com that the NTTD teaser trailer is a series of shots, I think we're going to get something like Skyfall's teaser. This is NTTD's synopsis: "Bond has left active service and is enjoying a tranquil life in Jamaica. His peace is short-lived when his old friend Felix Leiter from the CIA turns up asking for help. The mission to rescue a kidnapped scientist turns out to be far more treacherous than expected, leading Bond onto the trail of a mysterious villain armed with dangerous new technology."

I can imagine shots of Jamaica, Leiter, the scientist, Malek, but from what we know of the filming I can't see much else from the synopsis being in the teaser. I guess the other shots will be, Norway (both Norway and Scotland-Norway), London, Madeleine, M, Moneypenny, Q, Italy, 'Cuba,' Ana, Lashana and Dali Bennsalah. And I think a narration from Leiter might set the scene. Instead of the Skyfall psycho-analysis scene, its Leiter talking to Bond, which starts with off screen narration and moves to Leiter talking to Bond in Bond's house.

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"And I think a narration from Leiter might set the scene. Instead of the Skyfall psycho-analysis scene, its Leiter talking to Bond, which starts with off screen narration and moves to Leiter talking to Bond in Bond's house"

That would work for me. With Jeffrey Wright's commanding voice and intensity that would be a great way to kick off the teaser trailer.
We haven't seen or heard much from Wright since Jamaica. I wonder if Leiter gets clipped early in the film....may be at the hands of a traitorous fellow CIA agent?

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Jeffrey Wright would give some great narration. Love his voice.

"Unfortunately I misjudged you. You're just a stupid policeman, who's luck has run out." -Dr. Julius No

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Bond: More of a Problem Eliminator.

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https://i.postimg.cc/p9GT3fzn/23995-E28-B8-F5-4-F14-9856-1612-B578-F0-A5.jpg

Bond: More of a Problem Eliminator.

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Aston Martin DBS wrote:

https://i.postimg.cc/p9GT3fzn/23995-E28-B8-F5-4-F14-9856-1612-B578-F0-A5.jpg

Quite a wow clapperboard picture, and people can find the original here at this Instagram account, care of the Other Place.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B2SUwHjiFQS … _copy_link

Scene 253 is 177 minutes into a film, so either we're looking at a 3 hour Bond movie (which I don't think theatre chains would accept), or two movies are being filmed together and this is either, 107 minutes (the end basically) into Bond26 with two 1h 45min films, or for two 2h20min movies, 37 minutes into Bond26.

Over at the Other Place there is a film roll number theory that would seem to make sense, but if you look at the clapperboards from DC's other Bond films it fails.

For example, there is a board for Skyfall, X132L, which shows what looks like a kitchen, and what it is is the kitchen carriage during the Hinx train fight, and that is scene 132, not roll X1 scene 32, as we know the fight is about 92 mins into the film.

There are lots of clapperboards for Skyfall and Spectre which shows the alphanumeric code beginning with V. All of them are correctly numbered for where the scenes appear in the film; there is no need for a film roll number. Why can't rolls of film simply be the letter?

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HowardB wrote:

"Its a problem with having too much knowlege that we know when scenes were filmed and who was there. I will have to try and forget that i know that DC was in Toronto when the stunt was filmed. Of course he cannot be expected to do anything like that dangerous looking bike stunt  but it does somehow undermine the suspension of disbelief that he wasn't even there."

Not sure if it's even Bond who's supposed to be on the bike during that stunt.

Its Daniel's stunt double, but i guess he could be doubling someone else butni doubt it.

Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.

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Miles Messervy wrote:
Arbogast777 wrote:
Number24 wrote:

I don't think they should bring SMERSH back as a part of the Russian state apparatus (or the "organs" as the intelligence services were often called), but  it could work if the villain starts an organisation inspired by the real SMERSH from Stalin's time.

SMERSH is such a part of Bond lore, though - I just don’t see the point in coming up with a similar organization but leave the name on the table. Connery mentions it in FRWL and it was danced around in TLD. Craig’s Bond has been ticking the boxes of all the old Bond tropes, I say as as a new Cold War seems to be emerging, let’s introduce it for future stories...

I’m hoping they don’t try to tick off boxes, and rather focus on making a great film. SMERSH was a an apparatus of the Russian government. I doubt they’d be that overtly political, especially in the current climate.

Really hope its not a box ticking enterprise.

Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.

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I presume someone is keeping an eye on BBFC for certification of the teaser?

How long is it normally from submission / certification to actually the trailer being released? Can anyone remember the timescales from Skyfall & Spectre on this?

ajb007/martini

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https://www.instagram.com/p/B2Trut5jR0A/

ajb007/amazed

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Looking at some Instagram posts there seems to be a fair bit of things we’ve seen before in earlier films like car chases in Italy, Bond on a motorbike. Hopefully it will different to what we’ve seen before.

Yes. Considerably!

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lukey_sparrow/

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Someone wrote:
Aston Martin DBS wrote:

https://i.postimg.cc/p9GT3fzn/23995-E28-B8-F5-4-F14-9856-1612-B578-F0-A5.jpg

Quite a wow clapperboard picture, and people can find the original here at this Instagram account, care of the Other Place.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B2SUwHjiFQS … _copy_link

Scene 253 is 177 minutes into a film, so either we're looking at a 3 hour Bond movie (which I don't think theatre chains would accept), or two movies are being filmed together and this is either, 107 minutes (the end basically) into Bond26 with two 1h 45min films, or for two 2h20min movies, 37 minutes into Bond26.

Over at the Other Place there is a film roll number theory that would seem to make sense, but if you look at the clapperboards from DC's other Bond films it fails.

For example, there is a board for Skyfall, X132L, which shows what looks like a kitchen, and what it is is the kitchen carriage during the Hinx train fight, and that is scene 132, not roll X1 scene 32, as we know the fight is about 92 mins into the film.

There are lots of clapperboards for Skyfall and Spectre which shows the alphanumeric code beginning with V. All of them are correctly numbered for where the scenes appear in the film; there is no need for a film roll number. Why can't rolls of film simply be the letter?

Playing on your they're filming two films.......why doesn't the above clapperboard have the film title on it? It still says B25. Could that be because B25 clapperboards are for the 2nd movie? I'm not sure how clapperboards work. Are film titles put on them after a title is announced?

Some people would complain even if you hang them with a new rope

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As it’s the clapper board from the 2nd Unit, maybe they are using a different coding system....

Mr Martini wrote:
Someone wrote:
Aston Martin DBS wrote:

https://i.postimg.cc/p9GT3fzn/23995-E28-B8-F5-4-F14-9856-1612-B578-F0-A5.jpg

Quite a wow clapperboard picture, and people can find the original here at this Instagram account, care of the Other Place.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B2SUwHjiFQS … _copy_link

Scene 253 is 177 minutes into a film, so either we're looking at a 3 hour Bond movie (which I don't think theatre chains would accept), or two movies are being filmed together and this is either, 107 minutes (the end basically) into Bond26 with two 1h 45min films, or for two 2h20min movies, 37 minutes into Bond26.

Over at the Other Place there is a film roll number theory that would seem to make sense, but if you look at the clapperboards from DC's other Bond films it fails.

For example, there is a board for Skyfall, X132L, which shows what looks like a kitchen, and what it is is the kitchen carriage during the Hinx train fight, and that is scene 132, not roll X1 scene 32, as we know the fight is about 92 mins into the film.

There are lots of clapperboards for Skyfall and Spectre which shows the alphanumeric code beginning with V. All of them are correctly numbered for where the scenes appear in the film; there is no need for a film roll number. Why can't rolls of film simply be the letter?

Playing on your they're filming two films.......why doesn't the above clapperboard have the film title on it? It still says B25. Could that be because B25 clapperboards are for the 2nd movie? I'm not sure how clapperboards work. Are film titles put on them after a title is announced?

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Someone wrote:
Aston Martin DBS wrote:

https://i.postimg.cc/p9GT3fzn/23995-E28-B8-F5-4-F14-9856-1612-B578-F0-A5.jpg

Quite a wow clapperboard picture, and people can find the original here at this Instagram account, care of the Other Place.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B2SUwHjiFQS … _copy_link

Mr Martini wrote:

Playing on your they're filming two films.......why doesn't the above clapperboard have the film title on it? It still says B25. Could that be because B25 clapperboards are for the 2nd movie? I'm not sure how clapperboards work. Are film titles put on them after a title is announced?

Because, as far as production is concerned, you just make one film. In the edit room you create the two separate movies. Marketing does the rest.

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Tennyson wrote:

As it’s the clapper board from the 2nd Unit, maybe they are using a different coding system....

There's no evidence of that with any of the previous DC film clapperboards.

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JG007 wrote:

I presume someone is keeping an eye on BBFC for certification of the teaser?

How long is it normally from submission / certification to actually the trailer being released? Can anyone remember the timescales from Skyfall & Spectre on this?

ajb007/martini

https://bbfc.co.uk/releases/latest-releases

I have no idea about the BBFC process, but Skyfall's teaser trailer came out about 200 days after principal filming started. Spectre's, 112 days. Today is 140 days since NTTD's 25 April start of filming. Excluding the earlier Norway 2nd unit filming.

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What's the vehicle behind it?

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ichaice wrote:

Looking at some Instagram posts there seems to be a fair bit of things we’ve seen before in earlier films like car chases in Italy, Bond on a motorbike. Hopefully it will different to what we’ve seen before.

I thought that also. I guess there are only so many modes of transport.

Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.

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Someone wrote:

What's the vehicle behind it?

Aston Martin Valhalla in Sapri. So I'm being told. It's grey in the film, don't worry (sunset light apparently)...

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ggl007 wrote:
Someone wrote:

What's the vehicle behind it?

Aston Martin Valhalla in Sapri. So I'm being told. It's grey in the film, don't worry (sunset light apparently)...

That doesn't look like any part of the Valhalla to me. It's got a huge great treadplate eyelet, or possibly even a step, bolted to it (the thing the clapperboard is actually sat in): I'd say either it's one of the Land Rovers that the baddies have, a previously unseen offroad/tank vehicle, or it's one of the tracking/filming cars that have the cameras mounted on them.