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thespyboys11 wrote:

That's it --Ed

Excellent!

Thanks Ed!

Now to get it cleaned up a bit!

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not exactly the right version, you can see the diamond cuts, there are 2 different levels with small inside big, then, there are only 13 big diamonds instead of 16.
The right version has 16 dimonds, and no smaller inside larger.
Even for the right version, you have 14, 15 or 16 , sometimes correcty placed, sometimes off centered with half diamonds on ends, like yours.

here is a drawing of the idealized assemblable version of lighter but the real one can have similar design, the difference is mainly regarding lenght and thickness, original lighter is 65mm and assemblable is 80mm, thickness are 12 and 16mm but width is similar on both lighters, about 32mm, making 2mm wide diamond cuts.

https://s22.postimg.cc/jyzwc6qod/mod_le_briquet.jpg

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https://s15.postimg.cc/3npt7poyv/fullsizeoutput_f05.jpg

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https://s22.postimg.cc/z7uf3vp7x/pieces_2.jpg

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Today I received a parcel from shapeways.
Here is the content, 4 bullet kits, 2 from brass 2 from silver, the cigarette box prototype from plastic, and a lighter cap made from brass.

https://s22.postimg.cc/xft87otq5/IMG_7900.jpg



https://s22.postimg.cc/rrmxgx7f1/IMG_7899.jpg

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very nice!

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Looking good, different and dainty  ajb007/martini

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I ordered the cirrect bolts and axes for the cufflinks, ordered 10 of each, so I will have 10 cufflinks sets to offer.
I contacted him for bullet replicas, 2 parts versions, so it will be more accurate to a real bullet with a nicerim on the top of the sleeve, and polished bullet but less polished sleeve.
To be right, I think the sleeves would be from brass (rough brass?) and bullets from gold (gold plated brass) if the sleeves are made from gold, it may be too weak for correct ignition.
Or maybe Laser has built solid gold bullets with gold plated brass sleeves?
I didn't put the vice to make separate ignition caps, the sleeves have fake cap engraving only.
Looking forward to get a chunghwa case and put some gold inside.

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I don't know what to do, here is my problem.
I am working on the cigarette case, and in fact it seems there were 4 different cases in the movie.
The one with opening for cigarettes.
The one with gun assembly
The one on firing gun
The one on static gun.
One the box with opening, the opening side lid has a diagonal cut, and only has this shape, no additionnal design on body to simulate a straight lid, and the guilloché is on all the main body.
on other side, the glossy end is a separate piece, added after the guilloché is made.
On the box with gun assembly, it seems the lid is glossy, and there is a glossy area on the body, to simulate a straight lid, the glossy area is solid with mody.
On the firing gun box, there is a separate glossy area, simulating a straight lid.
On the static gun it seems the box is same as the spare box, diagonal cut lid with no glossy area on body.
Which version should I choose, I am very interested in making the spare version, as the cigarette box will be working.
Also, there is no red gem or button on this version, I only see one red thing on the firing gun or the one I suppose to be the firing gun( the one visible on most exhibitions)
I am thinking about this, because it would be the best way to get a nice guilloché finish.

I modified the box thickness, from 14 to 15mm, as I also modified the lighter height, from 32 to 33mm, and reducing the bevels on edges, I enlarged the colibri engraving and made it thicker too.
The diamond cuts have lower profile now, with remaining material on the tips, so the guy will be able to make a perfect finish with his machines, without having to remove lots of material, it will also avoid the casting issues, especially on 3D printed file, I so some missing material here and there.
I enlarged the lighter axis and holes, from 2 to 3mm, much more accurate and possible to order with already drilled holes.

It's really funny, because I downloaded the movie to study the gun, and I saw how the actor makes assembly, and I made the exactly same process, even I saw the movie some years ago...

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Have you ever read Burt Luxfords book ? it states that there was only one GG used during filming, made by Colibri, it had interchangeable pen barrels of which I owned one, Iris Rose ( Logistics Manager among other things, the true archivist ) confirms this. The one remaining GG in the archive was made by Rose the Jewellers but was not ready for filming the only time we see it is during the titles.

So sorry you are wrong, one cigarette case was used, it was damaged early on in production and Bert Luxford was given the task of fixing it.

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danjaq_0ff wrote:

Have you ever read Burt Luxfords book ? it states that there was only one GG used during filming, made by Colibri, it had interchangeable pen barrels of which I owned one, Iris Rose ( Logistics Manager among other things, the true archivist ) confirms this. The one remaining GG in the archive was made by Rose the Jewellers but was not ready for filming the only time we see it is during the titles.

So sorry you are wrong, one cigarette case was used, it was damaged early on in production and Bert Luxford was given the task of fixing it.

An insert from The Most Famous Gun In The World, directly quoting the text from Albert Luxford's book The Gimmick Man"

There is however an alternate record of the origins of Francisco Scaramanga's weapon of choice as told by the late Albetrt Luxford in his book "The Gimmick Man":
The Man with the Golden Gun, after a little mishap on set.
Ah, yes. Don’t get me wrong, I have the utmost respect for actors, but also know that they’re not all technical experts either, and don’t always appreciate what might go into making something. Well, a lighter company called Colibri made the actual golden gun, which came together by assembling a cigarette case, lighter, cufflink and pen. It was gorgeous, and was all diamond cut. But someone made the mistake of giving it to an actor – I don’t know who, or how – to play around with and it was dropped, smashing into tiny pieces.
A frantic art director came running into my workshop and said, “they’ve busted the gun!” and he asked me if I could make another one.
I asked how long, and he said, “You’ve got a little more than tomorrow.” I said I’d need a little more than two weeks, at least.
I got together with a colleague of mine, Curly Currs, who was a gunsmith, and we set about making another one, out of more durable brass. The thing was, we knew that it then had to go over to Ireland to be diamond cut, as that was the only place it was done, and that would add days.
The film schedule was re-arranged, and we worked around the clock. We made it in just over a week, and flew it to Ireland. It was on stage within a fortnight of the “incident.” Of course we all realized that Colibri’s mistake was in making only one of the guns; really, they should have had a standby one too, but we all live and learn  ajb007/martini

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ppw3o6r wrote:
danjaq_0ff wrote:

Have you ever read Burt Luxfords book ? it states that there was only one GG used during filming, made by Colibri, it had interchangeable pen barrels of which I owned one, Iris Rose ( Logistics Manager among other things, the true archivist ) confirms this. The one remaining GG in the archive was made by Rose the Jewellers but was not ready for filming the only time we see it is during the titles.

So sorry you are wrong, one cigarette case was used, it was damaged early on in production and Bert Luxford was given the task of fixing it.

An insert from The Most Famous Gun In The World, directly quoting the text from Albert Luxford's book The Gimmick Man"

There is however an alternate record of the origins of Francisco Scaramanga's weapon of choice as told by the late Albetrt Luxford in his book "The Gimmick Man":
The Man with the Golden Gun, after a little mishap on set.
Ah, yes. Don’t get me wrong, I have the utmost respect for actors, but also know that they’re not all technical experts either, and don’t always appreciate what might go into making something. Well, a lighter company called Colibri made the actual golden gun, which came together by assembling a cigarette case, lighter, cufflink and pen. It was gorgeous, and was all diamond cut. But someone made the mistake of giving it to an actor – I don’t know who, or how – to play around with and it was dropped, smashing into tiny pieces.
A frantic art director came running into my workshop and said, “they’ve busted the gun!” and he asked me if I could make another one.
I asked how long, and he said, “You’ve got a little more than tomorrow.” I said I’d need a little more than two weeks, at least.
I got together with a colleague of mine, Curly Currs, who was a gunsmith, and we set about making another one, out of more durable brass. The thing was, we knew that it then had to go over to Ireland to be diamond cut, as that was the only place it was done, and that would add days.
The film schedule was re-arranged, and we worked around the clock. We made it in just over a week, and flew it to Ireland. It was on stage within a fortnight of the “incident.” Of course we all realized that Colibri’s mistake was in making only one of the guns; really, they should have had a standby one too, but we all live and learn  ajb007/martini

Thank you for that Donk  ajb007/heart

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So, the gun we see on exhibition is a different from filming?
Or maybe you are meaning solid and firing guns are same, with different pen barrel?

Last edited by parfaitelumiere (8th Sep 2018 21:37)

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parfaitelumiere wrote:

So, the gun we see on exhibition is a different from filming?
Or maybe you are meaning solid and firing guns are same, with different pen barrel?

Yes, the gun seen on display is the Rose Jewellers Gun, not the Colibri/Luxford Gun

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ok, it's explaining a lot, but there are also some things I don't understand.
Teh gun with hand and bullet is another gun, and the one in lulu's hand is the same as the one with hand and bullet, and different from the one I saw in movie, and the one on display actually.
then, the cigarette cases I still count 3 in the movie, or at least two, because the second one is maybe different on both sides, I don't know.
One is simple, straight ends, other has a tapered one, and a large hidden button near it, wa can see the back side fo this box when Scaramanga is assembling the gun, and no glossy gond band on that side, however on the dinner scene, we see a glossy band to complete the lid shape, one the box with larger lighter, on the box with smaller lighter, both ends are straight and not openable, easy to see, because there is no visible axis.

https://s22.postimg.cc/iim4svvbx/pieces_4.png

Then the promotionnal scaramanga pictures have the glazed pen, the colibri lighter with popping inner and hidden button on top, and box has a glossy area to complete the lid, there is an axis on the box lid, so it's openable not solid.
The one lulu is holding is very close, looks like same lighter, and same pen, but different box, no glossy area here, it looks like the same as the one with hand and bullet.
I am not speaking about who wrote what in books, just what I see on screen and on google, and what I see are different guns, or parts, however what you explain is very interesting, now I understand why I didn't see this shiny exhibition gun anywhere in the movie, all I saw had glazed pens, not glossy, even it's not easy to see the firing gun in details.
So the solid and firing guns are the same with 2 barrels, interesting.
Even the cufflinks I saw as auction pictures are not always used, on the assembly scene, both cufflinks have a bolt, the auctions ones only had one cufflink with a bolt
I will make multiple view pictures of screengrabs and photos of each gun and parts I think to be, and you will tell me what you think.

Last edited by parfaitelumiere (8th Sep 2018 22:25)

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here are the cufflinks I found,

On top, it's with diamond shape axis, like the right one from christies auction.
left hand is missing.
I don't know if this is a pair made from different cufflinks, or if the left one is taken from scen on the bottom, but on bottom we see both cufflinks, and both have bolt.
a few seconds later he has only one on right hand, left is on the gun (?)


https://s22.postimg.cc/67t68f41p/Capture_d_cran_2018-09-08_16.52.02.png

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Amazing work so far, parfaitelumiere. That bullet looks the business. I would have the primer as a separate piece too, to show a visible seam.

No expert on the GG here, but there are at least three different lids seen in the film:

1) When Scaramanga shoots Gibson (hole in the end; prominent lip surrounding hole; thicker 'fins')
2) When Scaramanga places the pen on the dinner table in front of Bond (no hole; fins run right around the lid from the clip to the other side)
3) When Scaramanga points the gun at Bond at the dinner table (close-up shot) (hole in the end; hole lip looks flush with the surrounding lid end; thinner fins)


At least two different lighters (or maybe just the slide-out section) used on the assembled gun:

1) When Scaramanga first points the gun at Bond at the dinner table, the first shot shows the part that slides out of the lighter where it contacts the cigarette case lid, as flat.
2) In the very next shot, it is not entirely flat- the side edges have a gap.

The two different lids with the holes change between those very two shots as well.

If I were making this prop, I would just make all variant parts, and swap them around however I like ajb007/lol

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I did mention before "interchangeable pens"  Pic curtesy of Ed Maggiani  ajb007/martini


https://s8.postimg.cc/y2d8wq61t/007-_GG_Waterman_Pen-_Real_Prop_2.jpg

and the pen that I was gifted


https://s8.postimg.cc/3xosbkj0x/007-_GG_Waterman_Pen-_Real_Prop_0.jpg
https://s8.postimg.cc/ufkgnnr4x/007-_GG_Waterman_Pen-_Real_Prop_10.jpg

Last edited by danjaq_0ff (9th Sep 2018 07:50)

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danjaq_0ff wrote:

I did mention before "interchangeable pens"  Pic curtesy of Ed Maggiani  ajb007/martini

Okay, cheers - you said 'interchangeable barrels', so I thought you were talking strictly the barrel, not the lid. The lids themselves, hadn't been mentioned in this thread yet. Cool pics ajb007/martini

Last edited by Quentin Quigley (8th Sep 2018 23:33)

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Your pen looks like the one we can see at 1:04:35

https://s22.postimg.cc/gidyqwxtp/static_1_04_35.png

First picture is interesting because we can see the side by side of the 3 pens front, I wanted to make similar design on my pen gap front.
However I don't see these pens, from bottom up scene street.

https://s22.postimg.cc/ruqk8slz1/static_0_35_28.png

the inner rim looks thinner and not raising like previous screenshot


https://s22.postimg.cc/7bvo387wd/firable_4.png

there is extra tubing inside, smaller caliber and thicker wall.

Also visible here, I think it's the dinner end scene, not sure, because it's the shooting pen version.

https://s22.postimg.cc/kssmm7ktp/firable_3.png

All this is so interesting.
Do you know when this picture was taken?

https://s22.postimg.cc/tp3eqilu5/static_3.png

The cigarette box is obviously different, but as the book is mentionning a damaged gun shortly after it was made, maybe it would be the same gun, but earlier.
The quite rough detail on the cigarette box during assembly scene made me thinkthe damage was on axis of box, and the golden area I see on other scenes but not on this picture could be a way to confirm this.
This picture is showing the same gun:


https://s22.postimg.cc/cpugavsil/static_1.png

no hole on lighter barrel no polished gold on cigarette case top, unlike here, glossy area on top of the box, and looks like a hole in barrel


https://s22.postimg.cc/wx7w38v5p/static_1_belt.png

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new keyhole design, but I think I will finally leave it blank with no molectric 88 engraving.


https://s22.postimg.cc/pjx3i3sst/Capture_d_cran_2018-09-09_09.22.15.png

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Great research and great images Parfaitelumiere. Here is an image you will not have seen before. This was created from a 3D scan of the Golden Gun (making it the most accurate representation) which resides in the EON Archive which will feature in a future book  ajb007/martini

https://s22.postimg.cc/jk9cehal9/fullsizeoutput_5a9.jpg

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ppw3o6r wrote:

Great research and great images Parfaitelumiere. Here is an image you will not have seen before. This was created from a 3D scan of the Golden Gun (making it the most accurate representation) which resides in the EON Archive which will feature in a future book  ajb007/martini

https://s22.postimg.cc/jk9cehal9/fullsizeoutput_5a9.jpg

Apart from the pen being totally wrong, id agree Donk  ajb007/bond

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As we are showing Golden Guns  ajb007/biggrin


https://s8.postimg.cc/gn61s9l0h/007-_GG_Prop_Collection_10.jpg

https://s8.postimg.cc/cffuwpbdd/007-_GG_Prop_Collection_11.jpg

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On one of the documentaries Peter Lamont said that they had sy spray a dulling substance on to the gun while filming some of the shots as it was too shiny.

Myself and Ed only ever say 3 pens in the archive, but there could have been more in the past.

The picture you ask about is a publicity still taken after filming, Im sure its not even CL holding the gun.

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