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so the previous created from 3D scan copy on black background is the one on top on the 5 guns pictures right?
It has a strong FE look IMO
I would be happy to see the real 3D scan.

Here is a study drawing I made some years ago, mostly based from the well documented gun, visible on exhibition.
Drawing this, on thegimp was a horrible trial, but I already started to think about a way to mix the gun, and real items, pen, box etc, I made a first pen design with longer removable end, and was planning to make a fake piston inside pen with narrow nib block, removable from the back, but I admit I still don't know how I will make the pen.
The main issue with the pen, is to keep it accurate to real pen, it has to get a 65mm long cap and a 75mm long body, but to keep it accurate to the gun, it has to have a visible 45mm long body area.
What is interesting is when you put the cap on end of the waterman pen, it leaves exactly a 45mm visible body, I think it's the main reason why the design on gun has a 45mm body, and the cap is a bit larger, I think they designed following the waterman with cap on body end.
Wht is strange is during assembly in movie, the design is functionnal, but totally wrong, compared to a real waterman, but I think this is because of technical issues, it's very hard to get something realistic, and functionnal, so they prefered to keep the functionnal aspect, I remember I have read actor said it was horrible to make assembly he had to train.
What I don't like with my narrow pen inside the golden pen is the nib design, now I have some real watermn, I think I can't make such a design using a real waterman concorde nib, I would need a lathe here in my house to make it and I don't have it, so I think I will make the thread on nib side, removable nib block and switch the cap to the end of the body, probably with a hidden screw or so, still don't know, I was even thinking about a moving barrel to simulate compensated barrel and using it for the cap assembly, but it makes a hard work for printing, adding material to get the right printing thickness and sanding down once I get it.
Also, the barrel would have to be machined on a lathe or so.



https://s22.postimg.cc/hksqnc3hp/mod_le_assemblage.jpg

https://s22.postimg.cc/4uoi9sl4d/stylo.png

Last edited by parfaitelumiere (9th Sep 2018 08:18)

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Im all for keeping things as we see on screen, but that is me.

Nice drawings BTW  ajb007/martini

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thanks,

It's almost as bothering as doing 3d design, however 3D is better, because you send the file to printer or machinist, and it can be done...
here is the box previous (V 3 ou 4) ad last version.
for previous I used 2 round cylinders and 2 parabolic sections for the body, and a revolution double parabolic section and 2 spheres for the ends.
Then I saw it was possible to curve the revolution piece, to flatten on one side, it just needs to cut 2 large round on the main body.
So I curved the revolution piece, made flattened spheres as corners, for more rounded corners, but flatter ends, and I also flzttened the cylinders on main body.
The kind of ring on first drawing is for printing casting purposes, it will be removed once in my hand.



https://s22.postimg.cc/g9pksef7h/Capture_d_cran_2018-09-09_11.22.36.png


here are the box profile changes, very first box (pictured 3D print from plastic) was 107x 14mm, with 12mm rounded ends, the medium design was 107x15mm with 13 mm cylinder, then, 107x15 with 12mm cylinders(on left), and finally 107x 15 with 12,4 x 15mm ovalized cylinders, (on right)


https://s22.postimg.cc/fk6sg6jul/Capture_d_cran_2018-09-09_11.22.18.png

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I'm following this thread and it's great. Thanks for all the info.

I'd like to share my own golden gun. I know it's not perfect but I assure you it was cheap and... well, I love it!  ajb007/cool  ajb007/biggrin

https://i.imgur.com/Ej1ogrt.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Zx8gEhi.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/drO4k8c.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/fnM8QSe.jpg

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Congratulations,  looks great  ajb007/martini

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Love it, ggl! That's probably the nicest print I've seen of the gun. ajb007/martini Gives me a bit more confidence that mine will turn out decent.

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Thanks! If you need more photos of it for your project, just ask.

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personally i prefer the matt finish from the shiny version.

looks awesome  ajb007/martini

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Here is my lighter 3D model, outer design is finished for now, I think there won't be more changes, except of course the diamond cut finish, made by hand.
https://s22.postimg.cc/c1yk5xrrh/Capture_d_cran_2018-09-16_11.58.56.png
The inner design is not finished yet, but for now the cap is openable, it has a popping barrel, sliding part, and pusshing button on top.
It will get a smaller designed working lighter, maybe a oil lighter as the design is easy to build, or, if possible, a shortened real molectric inner, using quartz ignition and gaz tank.
But for now I didn't find anyway to dissassemble a molectric 88 entirely.
The axis design is closer to a dupont lighter than a molectric design, the dupont have solid axis made directly in the body, and maintained using a brass wire, then all is diamond cut, the molectric had separate full axis, welted on body and cap inner.
The issue with molectric axis is it's weakness.


https://s22.postimg.cc/61nu5eo0d/Capture_d_cran_2018-09-16_13.29.04.png

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Today I finished the pen design, also designed the nib, nib block and nib block ring..
It's not working, as there are no printing detailed enough for a working nib block, but I think I will modify it a bit more so it will be possible to add a empty waterman cartridge for the fun.

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After several design attempts I finally made this case display, I put the bullets under the lighter.
Waiting for the 3d printed parts now.
https://i.postimg.cc/WFpqT4Dg/IMG_7908.jpg

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parfaitelumiere wrote:

After several design attempts I finally made this case display, I put the bullets under the lighter.
Waiting for the 3d printed parts now.
https://i.postimg.cc/WFpqT4Dg/IMG_7908.jpg

The box is a pretty cool idea and probably of it's time, well done. The Pen and Cufflinks look well also  ajb007/cheers

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The box is a bit older, end of XIX or so, but I know old boxes like this are very common in UK, because I got it on ebay UK.
Boxes like that are probably also common in old uk colonies, and the design is very simple, so it would be possible a similar box to be made in the 70's, for the garnishment I tried to designed something more modern than what was made in the XIX, for. more 70's look.
I am drawing the colibri prototype version for these pen and lighter, just a secondary lighter and box to print and dummy cufflink, I designed to avoid original lighter and pen damages, it will be funny once finished, quite easier than even the gimmick version I put on shapeways.

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Really liking your progress on this, parfaitelumiere. Your 3D renders look great, and the display case is a very nice touch. Can I ask which 3D program you're using? I use Maya myself. Looking forward to seeing more WIP pics.

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I use tinkercad.

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I got this in the mailbox today.

https://i.postimg.cc/ykvmVYkt/IMG_7915.jpg

Bad points
-I know I won't be able to print it from fine detail plastic because of bending issues during printing process, shame, because it's acrylic, taking good finish and polish, even the threads are working, I will try to find a way to get printed from acrylic if issues can be solved, if not, I will have to choose professionnal plastic, still good detail level.
It seems the issue is not popping with professionnal plastic and metal cast.
-lots of design issues to solve, mainly mechanical issues, for spring loaded areas, threads
-I will change the pen assembly completely for a closer to real movie prop assembly meaning probably shortening the pen, like original prop, or maybe making 2 different body ends, for a prop lenght and a waterman lenght.
I will have to fix the gap issues, adding gap here and there so if someone purchases it, no need to sand down, I ordered the prototype with various gap, from none to 0,2mm gap to see the best option, best is 0,1mm
-I will have to order various parts, but from different materials to check if a plastic core can fit inside a waterman pen body or not, like it would fit in similar body from plastic, if it doesn't it will mean designing a complete set for brass or plastic version.

What is good
-the design is not so bad, measurments seem ok, the assembly is working even not perfectly yet, I am not so far.
-the design will be even better once I will have corrected all issues.

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It starts to look really good.
When all your design issues are solved I will most probably buy a metal version.
Fantastic work!!!!   ajb007/cheers

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looking great really!

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Great work ajb007/smile    ajb007/martini

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if someone is interested as a candidate, I can offer him to buy a trial version.
I will complete some design improvements, and offer to buy it for rough printing price and shipping to me for checking and assembly.
It would permit me to put it as available on i materialize website, without purchasing it, because my final idea is a much complicated version from silver and ( I hope) titanium.
The gold plated brass version will be expensive, the parts available on shapeways gan give idea of price, but I think i materialize will be more interesting regarding price for cast metal.

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parfaitelumiere wrote:

I use tinkercad.

How did it never cross my mind that there might be free online programs that everyone can model with? ajb007/rolleyes Amazing stuff.

Your gun's looking schmick, mate. Love it! ajb007/cheers

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Tinkercad has many defects, but still a free and easy online cad.

Here is the new pen, same as movie assembly.
The nib block is removable and cap stays in place when nib is off.
Just a hole to add and provide the tip to use some scale model brass tubing to make the cartridge needle, then it will be possible to add a genuine ink cartridge, if diameter is small enough, still to check this...

https://i35.servimg.com/u/f35/17/97/67/79/captur14.png

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Nicely done!

parfaitelumiere wrote:

(...) I ordered the prototype with various gap, from none to 0,2mm gap to see the best option, best is 0,1mm(...)

A good tip: keep a buffer if you make a version to be painted. (Primer + Base-coat + Paint) can easily take 0.05 or even more...  ajb007/cheers

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for painted versions, as it will need to be saned down, I didn't add extra gap.
I admit I designed more for a realistic brass version than budget version...

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Truly impressive, I applaud your skills and attention to detail ajb007/martini
Well done ajb007/martini

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