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„I‘ve never seen an MI movie at all [...] I don‘t think there‘s any comparision“

Comedy gold, mate  ajb007/martini

The name is Walker, by the way.

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AugustWalker wrote:

„I‘ve never seen an MI movie at all [...] I don‘t think there‘s any comparision“

Comedy gold, mate  ajb007/martini

I’ve seen the odd clip,  I said Bond is its own genre.

Comedy misrepresentation...    err..  mate.

My current bond compositions on youtube.  Risico
Gun In My Hand 
Never Dream of Dying
https://youtu.be/H2T6zWLFAqI  ‘Come with me’ inspired by Love Actually.

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John Francis Kennedy wrote:
AugustWalker wrote:

„I‘ve never seen an MI movie at all [...] I don‘t think there‘s any comparision“

Comedy gold, mate  ajb007/martini

I’ve seen the odd clip,  I said Bond is its own genre.

Comedy misrepresentation...    err..  mate.

There’s no way you can accurately judge these, or any, films and compare them to another series by watching the odd clip.

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JTM wrote:
John Francis Kennedy wrote:
AugustWalker wrote:

„I‘ve never seen an MI movie at all [...] I don‘t think there‘s any comparision“

Comedy gold, mate  ajb007/martini

I’ve seen the odd clip,  I said Bond is its own genre.

Comedy misrepresentation...    err..  mate.

There’s no way you can accurately judge these, or any, films and compare them to another series by watching the odd clip.

I accept what you’re saying but I just can’t get past Tom cruise, I can’t separate the man from the on screen character he’s portraying, just one of those things I’m afraid.

My current bond compositions on youtube.  Risico
Gun In My Hand 
Never Dream of Dying
https://youtu.be/H2T6zWLFAqI  ‘Come with me’ inspired by Love Actually.

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John Francis Kennedy wrote:
JTM wrote:
John Francis Kennedy wrote:

I’ve seen the odd clip,  I said Bond is its own genre.

Comedy misrepresentation...    err..  mate.

There’s no way you can accurately judge these, or any, films and compare them to another series by watching the odd clip.

I accept what you’re saying but I just can’t get past Tom cruise, I can’t separate the man from the on screen character he’s portraying, just one of those things I’m afraid.

Wagner was a complete prick but the Overture to Tanhauser is one of the most sublime pieces of music. I do get your point though. No fan of Cruise but the last MI film towered over Spectre.

Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.

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If the people in charge of Bond films don't get off their collective butts the number of MI films will surpass the total number of Bond films....

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Ammo08 wrote:

If the people in charge of Bond films don't get off their collective butts the number of MI films will surpass the total number of Bond films....

I‘m a 100% with you on this, I got the impression that in a way the makers of Bond became lazy/tired/lost interest of the franchise. These long gaps just aren‘t justified nor necessary.

The name is Walker, by the way.

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If Tom Cruise was 30 this would have been a possibility, but in ten or fifteen years he'll be too old.

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I think he’ll die of pneumonia filming MI 19, but not before leathering a few villains with his walking stick (he can’t get too close cos the cataracts means he gets caught with the odd punch)

My current bond compositions on youtube.  Risico
Gun In My Hand 
Never Dream of Dying
https://youtu.be/H2T6zWLFAqI  ‘Come with me’ inspired by Love Actually.

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Sir Roger was 58 in 1985 when AVTAK was released, whereas Cruise is 56 now - arguably in better condition for his age than Sir Roger in Octopussy.

"How was your lamb?" "Skewered. One sympathises."

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Charmed & Dangerous wrote:

Sir Roger was 58 in 1985 when AVTAK was released, whereas Cruise is 56 now - arguably in better condition for his age than Sir Roger in Octopussy.

Sorry to correct you, but Moore was only 57 when AVTAK was released and 56 at the start of filming. Cruise is in better shape now than Moore probably ever was.

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My bad - I’m so used to the winter release dates for Bond films I’d forgotten it was released in the summer  ajb007/martini

"How was your lamb?" "Skewered. One sympathises."

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At the end of the day Bond 25 is under pressure regardless of the MI franchise. If the film is bad then that will be 2 in a row and the vultures will be circling regardless. The long breaks between films make this more of an issue.  MI is really irrelevant if number 25 is not a good film

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Did anyone else think Fallout was terrible compared to MI 3,4, and 5? Half the stunts are all elaborate and meaningless to the story and the other half are elaborate and computer rendered. I think Tom was just trying to show off. The dialogue is  abysmal and one-note like it was written by a child. Some of the action is good, but it is interspersed with very boring characters and plot.

One thing I'll say is they brought back the nuclear threat. That's something Bond hasn't done in a while.

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Shatterfang wrote:

Did anyone else think Fallout was terrible compared to MI 3,4, and 5? Half the stunts are all elaborate and meaningless to the story and the other half are elaborate and computer rendered. I think Tom was just trying to show off. The dialogue is  abysmal and one-note like it was written by a child. Some of the action is good, but it is interspersed with very boring characters and plot.

One thing I'll say is they brought back the nuclear threat. That's something Bond hasn't done in a while.

The point is, it was still leagues ahead and far more entertaining than SPECTRE, and coming from a die hard Bond fan, that’s a concern.   The MI films consistently deliver. Bond films are consistently inconsistent.  And they always have been

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I wouldn't say its leagues better. Spectre at least had better characters, dialogue, and acting (Henry Cavil) and less Scooby gang.

Bond has a way better track record. Even the best MI's I wouldn't rewatch as often as Bond's worst outings.

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Shatterfang wrote:

I wouldn't say its leagues better. Spectre at least had better characters, dialogue, and acting (Henry Cavil) and less Scooby gang.

MI moved at a fast enough pace that one could overlook its flaws. Spectre, on the other hand, was so in love with itself that it crawled along, highlighting its own ineptitude (car chase, alpine plane sequence, the brother stuff). Fallout was slick and tense. Spectre was bloated and boring. Fallout is just more effective in its execution.

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I don't see the threat. I personally would love it if every film at the multiplex was a spy thriller, I say there aren't enough.


I still think of Mission Impossible as a 1960s teevee series with Leonard Nimoy in its later seasons. That's the franchise. Tom Cruise somehow got the rights to update the franchise and has made it his own, but the concept could outlast him if he retired and the franchise would live on to be reinvented again. It's a trademarked name with proven market value.

I think in Cruise's films there are actually very few bits that are even reminiscent of the old series. I actually get more excited by the elaborate schemes when they do come along than I do by the stuntwork.
For example, that scene where Cruise climbs the skyscraper everybody talks about: this incredibly dangerous stunt is being done while the rest of the team keeps two sets of villains from meeting each other, by setting up two identical meeting rooms and wearing disguises. That sort of thing is exactly what the old teevee series would centre around every week, not stuntwork. Cruise's famous stunt was distracting the audience from a genuine Mission Impossible style plot!

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To tell you the truth SPECTRE and M: I Rogue Nation were about on the same level really, with the reasonably fine movies peaking around the same time they're busting high tech desert facilities, both culminating into "meh" budget saving finales set around the London Thames in the dark. SPECTRE made almost 200 million bucks more.

M: I is healthy competition and has been around on the screens since the same decade as Bond's movie outings, they should not destroy each other but compliment each other depending on the mood of the watcher.

I think the next few Bond films can have some of the silly aspects of SPECTRE (including more of the SPECTRE syndicate or similar and places like that Moroccan crater facility) but keep Bond a grounded and fairly easily hurt person: tone down on lazy, contrived scripting around him (when he tries to break out of a big enemy facility, avoid having a convenient blow everything up barrel/pipe).

EDIT: After binge watching True Detective, I am also looking forward to seeing to Cary Fukunga's take on Bond - Mendes is really good at visuals and wide open, strange locations (especially with Silva's eerie ruined private island and Blofeld's desert villa crossed with spy base, but more lacking in the action and chase sequences, especially with SPECTRE outside the intro and Morocco sequence (when being the usurper of Quantum and all of its world spanning wealth & power, why were the SPECTRE enforcers mainly armed with pistol side arms in most action scenes?).

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Shatterfang wrote:

Did anyone else think Fallout was terrible compared to MI 3,4, and 5? Half the stunts are all elaborate and meaningless to the story and the other half are elaborate and computer rendered. I think Tom was just trying to show off. The dialogue is  abysmal and one-note like it was written by a child. Some of the action is good, but it is interspersed with very boring characters and plot.

One thing I'll say is they brought back the nuclear threat. That's something Bond hasn't done in a while.

It's funny. I finally watched Fallout the other day (had missed it on cinemas) and, though not terrible, I thought it was definitely worse than Rogue Nation. Whereas Rogue Nation (5) managed to impress me and keep me guessing, I can only remember one gasp while watching Fallout and I felt all the twists were telegraphed almost from the beginning (had managed to keep away from spoilers).

On an aside note, I also thought Cruise was really beginning to show his age. I know it's the same with Craig and his wanting to show the grey hair and all for Bond, but Ethan Hunt felt and looked 10 years older than in the previous installment. Don't know what to think about how he will look ib 7 & 8...

"Enjoy it while it lasts."
"The very words I live by."

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writingsonthewall wrote:
Shatterfang wrote:

Did anyone else think Fallout was terrible compared to MI 3,4, and 5? Half the stunts are all elaborate and meaningless to the story and the other half are elaborate and computer rendered. I think Tom was just trying to show off. The dialogue is  abysmal and one-note like it was written by a child. Some of the action is good, but it is interspersed with very boring characters and plot.

One thing I'll say is they brought back the nuclear threat. That's something Bond hasn't done in a while.

It's funny. I finally watched Fallout the other day (had missed it on cinemas) and, though not terrible, I thought it was definitely worse than Rogue Nation. Whereas Rogue Nation (5) managed to impress me and keep me guessing, I can only remember one gasp while watching Fallout and I felt all the twists were telegraphed almost from the beginning (had managed to keep away from spoilers).

On an aside note, I also thought Cruise was really beginning to show his age. I know it's the same with Craig and his wanting to show the grey hair and all for Bond, but Ethan Hunt felt and looked 10 years older than in the previous installment. Don't know what to think about how he will look ib 7 & 8...

Cruise really should let his hair show some grey. He looked great with a fully grey head of hair and stubble in Collateral.

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writingsonthewall wrote:

On an aside note, I also thought Cruise was really beginning to show his age. I know it's the same with Craig and his wanting to show the grey hair and all for Bond, but Ethan Hunt felt and looked 10 years older than in the previous installment. Don't know what to think about how he will look ib 7 & 8...

I agree. And although Craig looks pretty weathered, at least he looks natural. Cruise has clearly had work done, which I think adds to the sense that he’s older than he’s pretending to be.

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Miles Messervy wrote:
writingsonthewall wrote:

On an aside note, I also thought Cruise was really beginning to show his age. I know it's the same with Craig and his wanting to show the grey hair and all for Bond, but Ethan Hunt felt and looked 10 years older than in the previous installment. Don't know what to think about how he will look ib 7 & 8...

I agree. And although Craig looks pretty weathered, at least he looks natural. Cruise has clearly had work done, which I think adds to the sense that he’s older than he’s pretending to be.

Oh, yes. You could clearly see the Botox in the press interviews and premieres, but certain shots in the movie showed suspiciously flaffy skin in the neck/dewlap area.

"Enjoy it while it lasts."
"The very words I live by."

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writingsonthewall wrote:
Miles Messervy wrote:
writingsonthewall wrote:

On an aside note, I also thought Cruise was really beginning to show his age. I know it's the same with Craig and his wanting to show the grey hair and all for Bond, but Ethan Hunt felt and looked 10 years older than in the previous installment. Don't know what to think about how he will look ib 7 & 8...

I agree. And although Craig looks pretty weathered, at least he looks natural. Cruise has clearly had work done, which I think adds to the sense that he’s older than he’s pretending to be.

Oh, yes. You could clearly see the Botox in the press interviews and premieres, but certain shots in the movie showed suspiciously flaffy skin in the neck/dewlap area.

Do people still go "under the knife" anymore? I thought it was all fillers these days. Apparently, that's why Cruise looks fuller faced than he used to. Can't say he looks much different, though, myself.

Craig, on the other hand, just looks plain weird, and has since SP. There's no way he would be cast for his first Bond film now, or at any time since 2011. His face is tight yet puffy, as though he's been squashed.

Conversely, I think Roger looked great up to and including OP.

My Top 10 Bonds: Octopussy, Goldeneye, From Russia With Love, Tomorrow Never Dies, Licence to Kill, For Your Eyes Only, The Living Daylights, The Spy Who Loved Me, Goldfinger and Moonraker.

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I agree that Craig has looked a bit "off" on many occasions but just not after SPECTRE; it has been part of the discussion going back before SPECTRE. They most likely will manage to put him back together well enough for Bond 25. Diet, work outs, a little Botox, make up, lights, camera, action: Daniel Craig is James Bond 007. ajb007/martini