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Topic: Post-Craig speculation about rebooting

I am actually at a loss of what they are even going to do with the bond film series after DC leaves. I know that they have just replaced and carried on in the past, but times have changed since then and I don't think today's audiences would buy into a new actor replacing craig as if nothing ever happened, with the other characters reacting to him as such. I could be wrong, but I'm just not sure if I can see it? Q, M, and Moneypenny would all be aging, while bond gets younger? It worked then, but not so sure that audiences would accept it today, especially considering that the DC tenure is far more strict with continuity than the other tenures IMO.

Here are the possibilities of what could happen in post-craig bond:

1 - There are no more bond films ever (Hope not)
2 - Bond films are replaced with a Nomi 007 series (Hope not)
3 - At the end of craig's last bond film, he suffers from amnesia. His other half (Madeline or someone else) persuades him to get plastic surgery to ensure that he never remembers his previous life, as she desperately doesn't want him to find out who he is and go back to "that life" again. The plastic surgery could even be done without bond knowing via anesthetic? (if that's even possible?) Then, in the bond film after that, we see bond after surgery, played by a new actor, on a journey to discover his identity (yes I know it's like Bourne, but Bond did it in the books first). This is a very crazy idea on a whole, but it is an idea which would mean they don't have to reboot, and can still keep Q, M, and Moneypenny as they are.
4 - There is a reboot. Like the DC reboot, it is set in present times. But it still keeps Q, M, and Moneypenny as they are.
5 - Same as above, but with Q, M, and Moneypenny being re-cast as well.
6 - A reboot, but this one being a period piece, ie bond set in the 50's/60's. Q, M, and Moneypenny kept as they are.
7 - Same as above, but with Q, M, and Moneypenny being re-cast as well.
8 - No reboot, just re-cast bond only. Other characters don't even question it.
9 - No reboot, bond re-cast, everyone else also re-cast for some reason

Just a side note for the ones that re-cast all characters including scooby gang - Nolan usually has his own usual actors...

Anyway, what do you think they will do about the reboot? Scenarios 1-9, which is most likely?

I honestly don't know, I might have to guess later after reading what others have to say.

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I'd love it to be 6, but I suspect 8.

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I'd like 4 or 8, preferably 8. There is no reason to re-boot the seriesagain. Just do what they did when Moore quit and Dalton was cast etc.

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I think it’s going to take about 5 years and be #5. And I suspect the approach will be radically different from what we have seen before. Which could be good or bad.

My preference is #9, which I view as the “soft reboot.”

There’s almost zero chance of #1 or #2, and if EON stays in charge I think the chance of #6 is also close to zero, but increases if someone else is making the film.

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Jarvio wrote:

3 - At the end of craig's last bond film, he suffers from amnesia. His other half (Madeline or someone else) persuades him to get plastic surgery to ensure that he never remembers his previous life, as she desperately doesn't want him to find out who he is and go back to "that life" again. The plastic surgery could even be done without bond knowing via anesthetic? (if that's even possible?) Then, in the bond film after that, we see bond after surgery, played by a new actor, on a journey to discover his identity (yes I know it's like Bourne, but Bond did it in the books first). This is a very crazy idea on a whole, but it is an idea which would mean they don't have to reboot, and can still keep Q, M, and Moneypenny as they are.

You've put a lot of thought into this one and I think it'd be awesome, explaining in-story why Bond looks and acts different, and setting up potential new plot-threads.

But maybe a bit too high concept? what would you yourself say if you saw this film?
There's a lot of sentiment round here that the Craig-plots have been too personal, and this proposed plot would be far more personal than anything we've seen yet, leaving little to no space for a proper villain's plot in a two hour movie.


but... I think you may be right, the switch in lead actor can no longer be done without in-story comment as it used to be. A supporting character may be recast, and noone would care, but not the lead actor who caries the franchise. The film-fan/geek community is just too hyperaware of how their fantasy world is put together, and is vocal about all their expectations and disappointments.

Even the historic re-castings in more innocent times were problematic because "Sean Connery is James Bond"
-the original Casino Royale producers were so worried they couldn't hire Connery they ended up sabotaging their own movie rather than risk a straight film with a different actor.
-Lazenby was a flop and the filmmakers knew it. Even to this day I know peple who just assume its the worst movie because they've never heard of the actor!.
-Moore was a safe choice because he was a known actor, even then it took him three films to be accepted by the public.
-Dalton was a flop, the public just gave up.
-Brosnan was another safe, established choice, and he benefited from the six year gap and the added fact so few people had actually seen the Dalton films. But there was also a major re-casting of everyone except Q, and a lot of metafictional dialog within the film commenting on the fact the very film we were watching was a reinvention of an outdated concept. It was the closest thing yet to a complete reboot, and of course the next re-casting went all the way.

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I think the next Bond will see a total reboot, number 5. The series will need to or want to reinvent itself again, and I don't think they will want the baggage from before. After listening to David Zaritsky talk to his son about Bond, it sounds like starting over again will be necessary to getting a new younger audience interested in Bond, and I have no doubt that getting a new audience interested in Bond will be the goal. Casino Royale did an excellent job at that, but right now Craig's Bond films are failing at getting people excited. I think a new audience will respond best to something entirely new.

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Matt S wrote:

I think the next Bond will see a total reboot, number 5. The series will need to or want to reinvent itself again, and I don't think they will want the baggage from before. After listening to David Zaritsky talk to his son about Bond, it sounds like starting over again will be necessary to getting a new younger audience interested in Bond, and I have no doubt that getting a new audience interested in Bond will be the goal. Casino Royale did an excellent job at that, but right now Craig's Bond films are failing at getting people excited. I think a new audience will respond best to something entirely new.

I agree with this completely. More and more, I’m thinking that unless Bond 25 gets an overwhelmingly positive critical response, it will underperform at the box office. I hope I’m dead wrong, and I’m sure many of you will tell me that I’m wrong and trot out the box office take from all of Craig’s films. But if it happens we are guaranteed to see significant changes for the next entry.

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Matt S wrote:

I think the next Bond will see a total reboot, number 5. The series will need to or want to reinvent itself again, and I don't think they will want the baggage from before. After listening to David Zaritsky talk to his son about Bond, it sounds like starting over again will be necessary to getting a new younger audience interested in Bond, and I have no doubt that getting a new audience interested in Bond will be the goal. Casino Royale did an excellent job at that, but right now Craig's Bond films are failing at getting people excited. I think a new audience will respond best to something entirely new.

I would tend to agree with that except for this:
"but right now Craig's Bond films are failing at getting people excited."
While the public does not await the next Bond film with the anticipation of the next installment of The Avengers, the box office numbers speak for themselves when it comes to the Craig films. I do understand that there are people around here who would have liked to seen Craig move on for various reasons (not everyone who would like to see a change is necessarily a Craig hater either). I think that once the first teaser trailer pops up and the pre-release publicity machine gets into gear people will get excited. Remember, the general public is not following every twist and turn in the Bond 25 production saga like those on the AJB. But I will say, every time I've been in a theater and the first Bond trailers pop up on the screen, without fail the audience always gets excited....typically more excited than other tent pole series type films because it comes more as a welcome surprise and the return of an old dependable friend.

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Bear in mind even with the last reboot we got Dame Judi returning, so I think there's a chance it could be a sort of soft reboot, with some things changing and some not. If you can keep Ralph Fiennes why wouldn't you?

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How about re-cast Bond and keep the rest of the cast. Maybe down the road you can replace characters like Moneypenny and Q. Different actress playing the part of M's secretary. She can be named anything but could be given the nickname of Moneypenny as a wink & nod to the past. The same with Q, any actor or actress with anyname. Q is more of a title, than a name. That way Bond can stay the same while the others age and move on to retirement or maybe even death.

Some people would complain even if you hang them with a new rope

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The Bond films of late have followed the trends rather than create them, most notably aping Nolan's Batman trilogy.  Because of Batman Begins we got Casino RoyaleSkyfall lifted a lot from The Dark Knight with its Joker-like villain. Spectre had to work in a personal issue to bring the four films into direct continuity, not unlike Batman Rises bringing in Ras Al Ghul's daughter to be the criminal mastermind. Though Quantum of Solace could be viewed as merely a (mediocre) continuation of Casino Royale, it seemed to borrow most from the Bourne films.

To see where Bond is headed next, look to the trends.  Right now, the various superhero franchises have been rebooted with younger casts, as Gen-Xers are now slipping into retirement years and the oldest Millennials are middle aged.  Spiderman did this, and there's a new Batman film starring Robert Pattinson on the horizon.   If the Bond films copy this, we'll see a new Bond series featuring a younger cast in the lead roles.   If there's anything to keep Idris Elba from taking the role, it's not his race but his age.

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I'd actually prefer a reboot that recasts the MI6 regulars as Fleming's original characters. For instance I want Sir Miles Messervy to be head of MI6, not Mallory. I don't really feel Whishaw's Q is Major Boothroyd, unless I've missed something. Still, I'd be okay if Bond were recast and the series carried on as usual.

I do feel, though we're probably looking at an even longer gap next time. Maybe a decade or more after B25 is released. It took nearly 5 years just to get this film off the ground. There will most likely be an even longer period of waiting while Eon ponder where to take the series next. Then there's the recasting process and a distribution deal again.

Oh, how remiss of me to forget, throw in an extra two or three years while Barbara and Eon pursue other non-Bond projects.
If there's a glimmer of hope that Craig might come back again, add another two years while he takes the time to make a decision.

I am being a bit sarcastic here, but honestly I found this particular gap for B25 unnecessary when compared to previous hiatuses. The real obstacle holding things up was the distribution deal, which probably could have been tended to much earlier.

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I think the Craig-films are too much a universe of their own to be just taken over and „continued“ by the next actor. So a soft reboot seems the likeliest to me.
They should at least keep M and Moneypenny, Q should again be an older man (than Bond).

In general, the future of the franchise is a thread worth alone. With the long hiatuses/ production issues and the current mixed received end products (last good Bond was CR), it will at least be difficult to keep up the public interest in a long term.

Doing the right thing and going a more traditional way (1962-2002) could totally make the difference.
The majority of people say they miss those times (especially non-Bond fans), so why not go back...

The name is Walker by the way.

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This is an interesting topic that really could be divided into two different takes on the same theme: What do you think EON will do and what would you like them to do? I highly doubt EON would re-boot into a period piece, taking Bond back to the actual time of the novels. It would put them in a very precarious choice: remake the Fleming books or come up with new original stories that take place in that time period? Remaking the Fleming books would put them in the unenviable position of having to be compared directly to the four classic Connery films. While the remakes themselves could be good on their own merits, no matter how good a Bond actor they may cast, he will never get past the Connery comparisons even after several generations of Bond films and the films would suffer for that.

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I'm still holding out hope / wishing that they'd reboot the series and put it back to the 50's / 60's...  So much room for a really fun time with the series..   and please keep the pandering social political nonsense out..

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MFisher wrote:

I'm still holding out hope / wishing that they'd reboot the series and put it back to the 50's / 60's...  So much room for a really fun time with the series..   and please keep the pandering social political nonsense out..

I don't see this happening because of money. So much of the Bond films' revenue comes from product placement and, despite some retro and genuinely old things in the Bond films, product placement doesn't work as well with historical films.

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I hated the Craig hard reboot idea, and by doing it the producers put themselves in a very tight corner - but it's their problem now how to get out of it, not mine...

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I’m not sure the series needs a full on, proactive reboot with an origin story, in the manner of Casino Royale, but by necessity it would be a soft reboot of sorts.

Assuming the earliest we’d see a Bond 26 is 2023, I would imagine a James Bond somewhere in the region of 25 to 35. That would automatically mean removing or replacing Moneypenny, who would be 47 by then. No reason why they couldn’t keep Ralph Fiennes or Ben Whishaw, although it might make greater creative sense to start with a completely fresh set of characters. But it really depends on what they want to do, and how far they want to go.

Whatever they do do, I just hope it doesn’t lead to another protracted period of stasis. Unless they have a firm idea of what they want to do already, I would imagine it’s inevitable. Clearly, what happened with Danny Boyle underpins that they’re really only interested in the creative input of a director up to a certain point. I think the next film would suit a director in the mood of Christopher Nolan who would have a very distinct creative vision for the direction he would want the franchise to go in.

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I could see Fiennes hanging around for the gig, but I feel like Harris and Whishaw are going to outgrow the roles before much longer.

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I think a fresh MI6 crew, in addition to a new Bond, would make the soft reboot much cleaner. I don’t really want anything feeding into the dreaded code name theory.

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We survived Judi Dench crossing continuity...

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I don't think the current crew has made an impact like Judi Dench did. They are pretty generic despite getting more screentime.

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#6, And get rid of that ugly Avengers Tower and bring back Mi6. Don't even explain it. It never happened. Bond works at Mi6 with all-new gang. He knows Blofeld but they never bring up the brother thing. It never happened. Never bring up Vesper, Judi Dench M, Madeleine or anyone else. They are as forgotten as Mathis and Green.

#8 would be great, but it would only happen if that kind of thing becomes profitable. I could see the new fad like the Origin reboot in the 2000s, or the continuity universe of today. But don't expect Eon to be the trendsetter. Maybe if the Joker movie rakes in a ton. Of course after a decade, it would become lazy and people sickened of it.

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Shatterfang wrote:

I don't think the current crew has made an impact like Judi Dench did. They are pretty generic despite getting more screentime.

I agree. Though Fiennes is also a legend, he’s not Dench. But he doesn’t have the kind of chemistry with Craig that Dench had with both Craig and Brosnan. We need an M that acts more like a strict parent with Bond, and that doesn’t seem to be Fiennes’ thing. He’s more of a stepdad (but not on the Blofeld side).

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I think Ralph Fiennes is a great actor, but I wouldn't bracket him alongside Judi Dench. Great as he's been, he hasn't yet had the same impact. Perhaps he will earn that same status following the next film.

It really depends on what they want to do creatively. I really wouldn't discount it - same for Ben Whishaw. Both great actors so if those characters are in the next "reboot" film, and those actors are available, then why not? The only thing I'd add is that they've really woven a dramatic thread throughout all of the Craig films that they've never really done previously. So Ralph Fiennes and Ben Whishaw are more inextricably linked with the Craig era, than say Judi Dench was with Pierce Brosnan's era.