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Matt S wrote:
Chriscoop wrote:
HalfMonk HalfHitman wrote:

The font was created in 1929, and has been used for all sorts of things.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/09/Prisoner_-_Cell_Block_H_%28title_card%29.jpg


https://i.postimg.cc/gX1bGQhJ/20190821-201113.jpg

The A-Team has a more typical slab serif-style stencil typeface. No Time To Die and The Prisoner is a geometric style instead.

Your certainly correct Matt, graphics aren't my thing, but they all look like a play on military stencils to me.

It was either that.....or the priesthood

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I step out the country for 5 mins and they give Bond 25 a name and I have to trawl through 5 pages of the AJB community being a fickle bunch  ajb007/lol

Personally glad B25 has a proper title, it did remind me of the opening score for QOS for some reason but I think it’s rather cool and harks back to the early years. Sure Die is in the title but it is kinda inferred given Bonds job spec, so I will cut them some slack for that.

Actually find myself starting to re engage with Bond after some months of distraction so that’s not a bad thing in my eyes.

Bring on April 2020 i say. I am kinda looking forward to retiring from Bond collecting and just wearing out what I have until it’s thread bare  ajb007/biggrin

Cheers  ajb007/bond

My name is Bond, Basildon Bond - I have letters after my name!

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bonded123 wrote:

I can imagine the scene when they came up with the title. None of Eon's writing team could think up anything remotely fresh or exciting or with subtext and someone suggested "how about something with die in it?" And Babs said "yeah, let do that!"

They came up with the following titles:

A DAY TO DIE

ALWAYS LIVE TO DIE

NEVER SAY DIE

A REASON TO DIE

MG Wilson was getting bored and looked at his watch.

"I know, how about NO TIME TO DIE?"

Babs smiled and said "brilliant, Michael!" You're a genius!"

You obviously had a spy camera implanted in EON's office ceiling, because this is the most plausible explanation I've seen for the genesis of that feeble excuse for a title!

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Imagine if there were internet forums in 1989, and LICENCE TO KILL came out two films after A VIEW TO A KILL?  ajb007/lol

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HalfMonk HalfHitman wrote:

Imagine if there were internet forums in 1989, and LICENCE TO KILL came out two films after A VIEW TO A KILL?  ajb007/lol

ajb007/martini  ajb007/martini  ajb007/martini

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HalfMonk HalfHitman wrote:

Imagine if there were internet forums in 1989, and LICENCE TO KILL came out two films after A VIEW TO A KILL?  ajb007/lol

I don't think the complaints would be as harsh. Licence to Kill is a venerable phrase that has been associated with the Bond films and books since their beginning and forms a natural title. Plus having two films with Kill in the title is only half as bad as four with Die.

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Miles Messervy wrote:

I’ll take “generic Bond title” over some of the atrocities that were tossed about any day. Stuff like of “Genome of a Woman”, or “James Bond” or even “Shatterhand” we’re all absolute rubbish. And although “die” is in the title, which brings obvious comparisons to mind, this title is actuallymuch better than TND or DAD.

“Shatterhand” = not rubbish.

P.S. I’ll be in my seat when the movie comes out, regardless of the title.  ajb007/bond

"Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."

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Revelator wrote:
HalfMonk HalfHitman wrote:

Imagine if there were internet forums in 1989, and LICENCE TO KILL came out two films after A VIEW TO A KILL?  ajb007/lol

I don't think the complaints would be as harsh. Licence to Kill is a venerable phrase that has been associated with the Bond films and books since their beginning and forms a natural title. Plus having two films with Kill in the title is only half as bad as four with Die.

In that proximity? People would lose their minds. And "Licence to Kill" was criticized as a bit unimaginative at the time; the internet would have torn it to pieces. It's the "Jack Reacher" of its day in terms of lazy titles.

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Blackleiter wrote:
Miles Messervy wrote:

I’ll take “generic Bond title” over some of the atrocities that were tossed about any day. Stuff like of “Genome of a Woman”, or “James Bond” or even “Shatterhand” we’re all absolute rubbish. And although “die” is in the title, which brings obvious comparisons to mind, this title is actuallymuch better than TND or DAD.

“Shatterhand” = not rubbish.

P.S. I’ll be in my seat when the movie comes out, regardless of the title.  ajb007/bond

The problem with "Shatterhand" is that it sounds like "shat her hand". That's worse than rubbish. If it didn't sound like that I'd like it, and I think it would have been cool to have three consecutive single-word film titles all starting with "S", though I know some here don't care for that idea. It would have made a nice-sounding trilogy. But we don't need a film title about someone taking a sh!t on a Bond girl's hand. The press already have it in for the film.

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HalfMonk HalfHitman wrote:
Revelator wrote:
HalfMonk HalfHitman wrote:

Imagine if there were internet forums in 1989, and LICENCE TO KILL came out two films after A VIEW TO A KILL?  ajb007/lol

I don't think the complaints would be as harsh. Licence to Kill is a venerable phrase that has been associated with the Bond films and books since their beginning and forms a natural title. Plus having two films with Kill in the title is only half as bad as four with Die.

In that proximity? People would lose their minds. And "Licence to Kill" was criticized as a bit unimaginative at the time; the internet would have torn it to pieces. It's the "Jack Reacher" of its day in terms of lazy titles.

I have to agree on Licence to Kill. But I still saw it. I had no desire to see Jack Reacher, and that is partly because of the title. But like Goldfinger and Octopussy, it could also be the title of a porno. ajb007/tongue

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If you line up the uses of root words LIVE, DEATH, DIE, and KILL in the series:

1967
1973
1985
1987 (LIVING, but the root word is there, discard it if you like)
1989
1997
2002
2020

No Time To Die is the first time in 18 years* one of the words has been used. Seems silly to get worked up about it given past frequency.

*The QoS theme song sneaks it into its title, but I don't think that should count here.

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Slowly getting more used to the title. I think it was the initial shock really, because I did not expect a DC film to word a bond title like that. All the other DC titles have felt more unique, more arty, more character, whereas this one sounds more like a generic Brosnan era title, which I thought they'd moved on from (except for the awful AWTD song that is).

But I have been thinking, about the context of the title to the film, this could easily improve my liking of the title. For example, if this is a bond film covering bond's mental health problems (which I'd really appreciate, I'm a regular sufferer myself, and mental health issues are real and are killing people, so awareness being made would be great), then No Time To Die already sounds like a better title, as it sounds more like saying that there is No Time To Die, I have a mission to do, is bond's way of fighting his depression (in contrast to the more "giving up" vibe of A Reason To Die).

On the other hand, if it's just a situation where it's like a normal mission and there's no time to die just because, things are getting frantic, I'm on a dangerous mission etc... then I would find the title as generic as hell.

Overall I'm getting more used to the title, but I still think that it ranks either last or second to last (with DAD being its contender). I don't mind TND because Tomorrow is the name of the newspaper.

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It's very similar to Sean Connery's last official Bond film.       
                 
https://i.postimg.cc/q6T54xHD/connery-5-BQ6-o-tn.jpg

No Time to Diet

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Roger Moore 1927-2017

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Given the delayed announcement I think it was more a case of “No time to come up with a Better Title”...  ajb007/crap

Japanese proverb say, "Bird never make nest in bare tree".

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Matt S wrote:

I have to agree on Licence to Kill. But I still saw it. I had no desire to see Jack Reacher, and that is partly because of the title. But like Goldfinger and Octopussy, it could also be the title of a porno. ajb007/tongue

ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol
Hope you use private browsing or incognito  ajb007/amazed

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The comments about LTK are spot on, it's not a catchy or unique or interesting title. However, I think the film is one of the best of the series. So, like I always say, "What's in a name?"

I'll reserve judgment until I see the finished product. However, when I first saw the Insta post with the title I thought it was a fan creation, for whatever that's worth...

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HalfMonk HalfHitman wrote:
Revelator wrote:
HalfMonk HalfHitman wrote:

Imagine if there were internet forums in 1989, and LICENCE TO KILL came out two films after A VIEW TO A KILL?  ajb007/lol

I don't think the complaints would be as harsh. Licence to Kill is a venerable phrase that has been associated with the Bond films and books since their beginning and forms a natural title. Plus having two films with Kill in the title is only half as bad as four with Die.

In that proximity? People would lose their minds. And "Licence to Kill" was criticized as a bit unimaginative at the time; the internet would have torn it to pieces. It's the "Jack Reacher" of its day in terms of lazy titles.

Yeah I was only ten at the time, but I remember it being less satisfying than the other titles.

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Matt S wrote:
HalfMonk HalfHitman wrote:
Revelator wrote:

I don't think the complaints would be as harsh. Licence to Kill is a venerable phrase that has been associated with the Bond films and books since their beginning and forms a natural title. Plus having two films with Kill in the title is only half as bad as four with Die.

In that proximity? People would lose their minds. And "Licence to Kill" was criticized as a bit unimaginative at the time; the internet would have torn it to pieces. It's the "Jack Reacher" of its day in terms of lazy titles.

I have to agree on Licence to Kill. But I still saw it. I had no desire to see Jack Reacher, and that is partly because of the title. But like Goldfinger and Octopussy, it could also be the title of a porno. ajb007/tongue

Jack Reacher is a brilliant film. It feels wonderfully like a 70s thriller, like Dirty Harry or something.

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emtiem wrote:
Matt S wrote:
HalfMonk HalfHitman wrote:

In that proximity? People would lose their minds. And "Licence to Kill" was criticized as a bit unimaginative at the time; the internet would have torn it to pieces. It's the "Jack Reacher" of its day in terms of lazy titles.

I have to agree on Licence to Kill. But I still saw it. I had no desire to see Jack Reacher, and that is partly because of the title. But like Goldfinger and Octopussy, it could also be the title of a porno. ajb007/tongue

Jack Reacher is a brilliant film. It feels wonderfully like a 70s thriller, like Dirty Harry or something.

Agreed. Cruise and Robert Duvall both give strong performances.

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Lest we forget, License To Kill was originally going to be License Revoked (which would have been a great title)...but the producers were concerned that audiences in the USA wouldn't understand it ajb007/rolleyes .

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A 1980s Bond comic book was called Permission To Die:

PERMISSION TO DIE (1989) In 1989, Eclipse would attempt to revive the long dormant world of James Bond comics with Permission To Die, an original James Bond "graphic novel" written and illustrated by Mike Grell.

I think there's something about the word 'die' that Bond fans/writers/ associate with the character and his world but it's a bit of a lazy connection. If any film franchise is associated with 'die' it's Die Hard, not James Bond. ajb007/wink

No Time To Die is a sign of longevity leading to apathy or creative ennui. After 24 films and close to 60 years of the character the producers and writers can't be bothered to push themselves, no desire to spend time thinking of a different title. "Just stick 'die' in the title, that will do" is their mindset. It's a bit depressing. It's only a title but a title is there forever. If Bond lasts another 60 years Bond 25 will still be NO TIME TO DIE so titles do count for something. You only get one chance to come up with something vaguely fresh or original. One chance to come up with something memorable or different to what has been done before. It's a shame Eon failed to do so.

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Matt S wrote:
Blackleiter wrote:
Miles Messervy wrote:

I’ll take “generic Bond title” over some of the atrocities that were tossed about any day. Stuff like of “Genome of a Woman”, or “James Bond” or even “Shatterhand” we’re all absolute rubbish. And although “die” is in the title, which brings obvious comparisons to mind, this title is actuallymuch better than TND or DAD.

“Shatterhand” = not rubbish.

P.S. I’ll be in my seat when the movie comes out, regardless of the title.  ajb007/bond

The problem with "Shatterhand" is that it sounds like "shat her hand". That's worse than rubbish. If it didn't sound like that I'd like it, and I think it would have been cool to have three consecutive single-word film titles all starting with "S", though I know some here don't care for that idea. It would have made a nice-sounding trilogy. But we don't need a film title about someone taking a sh!t on a Bond girl's hand. The press already have it in for the film.

“Shat” is not a term I hear very often here in the states, so your reasoning wouldn’t have occurred to me. The main reason I like “Shatterhand” as a title is because it’s compact and unique, and it reminds me of classic one word titles like “Goldfinger” and “Thunderball”. But that’s water under the bridge now. I can get used to “No Time to Die” and if it’s another great Bond film like “Casino Royale”, then all the better because that title will forever be associated with a quality addition to the James Bond franchise.  ajb007/cheers

"Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."

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According to The Hollywood Reporter, the original title of Bond 25 was Shatterhand and William Shatner was going to have a role.  ajb007/tongue

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bonded123 wrote:

If any film franchise is associated with 'die' it's Die Hard, not James Bond.

I thought this as well. No Time To Die Hard.

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Blackleiter wrote:
Matt S wrote:
Blackleiter wrote:

“Shatterhand” = not rubbish.

P.S. I’ll be in my seat when the movie comes out, regardless of the title.  ajb007/bond

The problem with "Shatterhand" is that it sounds like "shat her hand". That's worse than rubbish. If it didn't sound like that I'd like it, and I think it would have been cool to have three consecutive single-word film titles all starting with "S", though I know some here don't care for that idea. It would have made a nice-sounding trilogy. But we don't need a film title about someone taking a sh!t on a Bond girl's hand. The press already have it in for the film.

“Shat” is not a term I hear very often here in the states, so your reasoning wouldn’t have occurred to me. The main reason I like “Shatterhand” as a title is because it’s compact and unique, and it reminds me of classic one word titles like “Goldfinger” and “Thunderball”. But that’s water under the bridge now. I can get used to “No Time to Die” and if it’s another great Bond film like “Casino Royale”, then all the better because that title will forever be associated with a quality addition to the James Bond franchise.  ajb007/cheers

I think the issue with Shatterhand is even if you're unaware of the 'shat' expression and don't read it as 'shat her hand', once aware of this connotation (and the internet would have jumped all over this ajb007/frown ), it's difficult to change the way you read it afterwards.

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