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I wouldn't have any objections to DC coming back for one more. I like the current Bond Actor to be older than I am! ajb007/biggrin But it would have to be a stand alone mission without all the personal heavy baggage. I can't see it happening anyway and think the producers will look to create another GE, CR refreshing impact with a new actor. Knowing them though will probably be released in 2027.. ajb007/rolleyes

"Any of the opposition around..?"

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but in this new film we know he's been retired five years, where will Bond be at in his career if Craig does one more?
solving mysteries at an old folks home?

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caractacus potts wrote:

but in this new film we know he's been retired five years, where will Bond be at in his career if Craig does one more?
solving mysteries at an old folks home?

James Bond's Jamaican Beach Party?  On Her Majesty's Secret Service Pension Plan?

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It's funny -- Craig was younger starting out as Bond than either Dalton or Brosnan, but because they took so long to make his (now) five films, his character ages more over the course of his run. 

It's so weird to start with Bond in his first mission and then see him basically time jumped into late in his career for most of the movies.

But they can still make a Bond with him.  The first four Connery Bonds were made only a year apart, if that, so it's not a question of needing to take years to produce a Bond film but simply how slowly this gang works. 

The Craig Bonds don't seem to have a problem acknowledging Craig's age and building such into the stories, either, so making (another) Bond coming out of retirement film would be pretty easy. 

Meanwhile, Liam Neeson turns out four or five movies a year where he's beating people up to rescue people in his life who have been kidnapped.

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If this movie does less box office, though, the next Bond film will be done on a leaner budget, I would think.  That could translate into better writing and directing, as they won't just have a lot of money to throw at it.  But it could also handicap the production if they're introducing another Bond actor.

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Gassy Man wrote:

If this movie does less box office, though, the next Bond film will be done on a leaner budget, I would think.  That could translate into better writing and directing, as they won't just have a lot of money to throw at it.  But it could also handicap the production if they're introducing another Bond actor.

Agreed. It sounds weird to want a favorite movie franchise actually go with a lower budget, but I just dont feasibly see them cranking out 250m budgets if the films are not at LEAST making 800m.

Although I have a weird feeling that as long as everything is in the clear, NTTD will reach the $1bill mark.  It's going to be a 5 year hiatus, Craig's last, and hype will be at a fever pitch.

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eric7064 wrote:

Agreed. It sounds weird to want a favorite movie franchise actually go with a lower budget, but I just dont feasibly see them cranking out 250m budgets if the films are not at LEAST making 800m.

Although I have a weird feeling that as long as everything is in the clear, NTTD will reach the $1bill mark.  It's going to be a 5 year hiatus, Craig's last, and hype will be at a fever pitch.

Might even be really good....wouldn't that be nice.

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Gassy Man wrote:

If this movie does less box office, though, the next Bond film will be done on a leaner budget, I would think.  That could translate into better writing and directing, as they won't just have a lot of money to throw at it.  But it could also handicap the production if they're introducing another Bond actor.

I'm wondering if the new actor could also be paid less, initially. The actors pay will depend on the success of the movies.

Some people would complain even if you hang them with a new rope

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It's long overdue to move on from Craig - Spectre was such a disaster (for a myriad of reasons). New actor, no reboot, a return to making and releasing a movie in no more than three years. The formula worked for 30+ years.

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Mr Martini wrote:
Gassy Man wrote:

If this movie does less box office, though, the next Bond film will be done on a leaner budget, I would think.  That could translate into better writing and directing, as they won't just have a lot of money to throw at it.  But it could also handicap the production if they're introducing another Bond actor.

I'm wondering if the new actor could also be paid less, initially. The actors pay will depend on the success of the movies.

New Bond actors have often been paid much less than the exiting Bond actor. The next Bond actor will likely have a lower salary to start with. Craig was a big savings for Casino Royale compared to the prospect of another Brosnan film.

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Matt S wrote:
Mr Martini wrote:
Gassy Man wrote:

If this movie does less box office, though, the next Bond film will be done on a leaner budget, I would think.  That could translate into better writing and directing, as they won't just have a lot of money to throw at it.  But it could also handicap the production if they're introducing another Bond actor.

I'm wondering if the new actor could also be paid less, initially. The actors pay will depend on the success of the movies.

New Bond actors have often been paid much less than the exiting Bond actor. The next Bond actor will likely have a lower salary to start with. Craig was a big savings for Casino Royale compared to the prospect of another Brosnan film.

Which would equal relatively unknown and younger.....

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eric7064 wrote:
Gassy Man wrote:

If this movie does less box office, though, the next Bond film will be done on a leaner budget, I would think.  That could translate into better writing and directing, as they won't just have a lot of money to throw at it.  But it could also handicap the production if they're introducing another Bond actor.

Agreed. It sounds weird to want a favorite movie franchise actually go with a lower budget, but I just dont feasibly see them cranking out 250m budgets if the films are not at LEAST making 800m.

Although I have a weird feeling that as long as everything is in the clear, NTTD will reach the $1bill mark.  It's going to be a 5 year hiatus, Craig's last, and hype will be at a fever pitch.

I dunno.  Unless there's some change in the C-19 situation, I wee this one tracking lower, perhaps even than SPECTRE.

A lower budget would necessitate more focus on character, which is generally good for Bond.  But the problem isn't the budget of Bond movies these days but how they spend it.  A lot of that money goes to the actors and producers, who have lucrative contracts to cash in.

It doesn't necessarily translate into anything meaningful onscreen.  Look at SPECTRE, which was one of the most expensive Bond films.  The villain's lair turned out to be be a mostly-CGI oil refinery populated by a few dozen extras we hardly saw.  It wasn't the volcano with a cast of hundreds and a real helipad. It's amazing how much they spent on the movie and how long it took to make it, yet so many scenes are virtually empty of people and action.

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HowardB wrote:
Matt S wrote:
Mr Martini wrote:

I'm wondering if the new actor could also be paid less, initially. The actors pay will depend on the success of the movies.

New Bond actors have often been paid much less than the exiting Bond actor. The next Bond actor will likely have a lower salary to start with. Craig was a big savings for Casino Royale compared to the prospect of another Brosnan film.

Which would equal relatively unknown and younger.....

I'm guessing this will be the situation, but one thing has definitely changed:  Bond films are perceived as "A" movies again -- not simply a movie franchise with a limited, built-in audience that will come see whatever is served up.  Not since the 60s have they attracted to level of widespread accolades and audiences.  They now have Oscar-winning actors and directors involved.  It's not the same as during the Moore/Dalton/Brosnan era.  This time, they might attract an A-list actor for the role, though I can't really think of one suited to play Bond.  Whoever it is will have quite a challenge to fulfill following Daniel Craig.  My hope is that it is a very talented and very suitable actor to play someone more in the Connery/Lazenby/Craig mold than the Moore/Dalton/Brosnan one.

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I'm sure they can afford an A-list actor this time, but I don't think they should. Bond should be the star. The actor can and should become a star, but it should be Bond that makes him a star.

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Number24 wrote:

I'm sure they can afford an A-list actor this time, but I don't think they should. Bond should be the star. The actor can and should become a star, but it should be Bond that makes him a star.

I think you’re describing what has happened on a few instances in the past rather than an iron-bound rule. It was true of Connery and Craig obviously. Brosnan, too, I guess. I don’t know how high Moore’s profile was already between Maverick and The Saint. And Bond didn’t make Lazenby and Dalton into superstars. Who’s to say an established star couldn’t walk into the role and fully inhabit it?

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Gassy Man wrote:

It doesn't necessarily translate into anything meaningful onscreen.  Look at SPECTRE, which was one of the most expensive Bond films.  The villain's lair turned out to be be a mostly-CGI oil refinery populated by a few dozen extras we hardly saw.  It wasn't the volcano with a cast of hundreds and a real helipad. It's amazing how much they spent on the movie and how long it took to make it, yet so many scenes are virtually empty of people and action.

You absolutely nailed the problem with SPECTRE. Almost none of that money made it onto the screen. Meanwhile, some of the scenes I liked best (e.g, the train fight) had to have been among the least expensive to make.

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Cheverian wrote:
Number24 wrote:

I'm sure they can afford an A-list actor this time, but I don't think they should. Bond should be the star. The actor can and should become a star, but it should be Bond that makes him a star.

I think you’re describing what has happened on a few instances in the past rather than an iron-bound rule. It was true of Connery and Craig obviously. Brosnan, too, I guess. I don’t know how high Moore’s profile was already between Maverick and The Saint. And Bond didn’t make Lazenby and Dalton into superstars. Who’s to say an established star couldn’t walk into the role and fully inhabit it?

No, Bond didn't turn a couple of them into movie stars. I guess Lazenby quit too early and Dalton didn't really want to be one.
But none of them were movie stars when they were cast. Brosnan and Moore were big TV stars, Moore was eprhaps the world's biggest TV star at the time, but not one of them were movie stars. That distinction was probably more important in the past, but now Nicole Kidman and Matthew McConaughey are doing TV.
Not hiring a movie star isn't an iron-bound rule I think, but we don't want Bond26 to be mentioed as "the new Chris Hemsworth movie", do we?

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Number24 wrote:

Not hiring a movie star isn't an iron-bound rule I think, but we don't want Bond26 to be mentioed as "the new Chris Hemsworth movie", do we?

Certainly not, more like „the new Henry Cavill movie“...  ajb007/bond

The name is Walker by the way.

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AugustWalker wrote:
Number24 wrote:

Not hiring a movie star isn't an iron-bound rule I think, but we don't want Bond26 to be mentioed as "the new Chris Hemsworth movie", do we?

Certainly not, more like „the new Henry Cavill movie“...  ajb007/bond

In both cases the point remains the same

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Personally I think Hemsworth would make an excellent Bond and I’m not averse to Cavill.

In both cases the initial spin would be that a famous actor was playing Bond. But after the first film came out (assuming that he signed for a multi pic deal), the actor would find himself redefined by the role as much as any unknown actor. It’s only stunt casting when actors cycle through the role as they did in the early Batman movies.

My point is that insisting that the next actor to play Bond not be widely known beforehand seems more like a personal preference. I understand the feeling and would also be excited to see Babs pull another rabbit out of her hat. But ultimately I want the best actor in the role, even if they’re already a star.

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I think we're both talking about personal preferances. I think both Cavill and Hemsworth have thepotential to play Bond well, but I think both have too much baggage from other roles. I think it's not to much to ask from EON for them to "pull the rabbit out of the hat since they did so on Connery, Lazenby and Craig.

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It's a discussion forum so, of course, it's all personal preference.  ajb007/wink

I'm just saying that, for the next Bond, my preference is for Babs to keep an open mind.

Returning to the thread at hand, I would love to know what's happening with EON during this limbo period. Is it all waiting for NTTD to premiere or is there any planning beyond that?

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Hemsworth and Cavill are the safest bets in terms of box-office and arguably the most handsome of all contenders. They would be a safe and easy choice for the producers, but at the end of the day if it's a good film and ticks all the boxes, a younger more left field choice would still work. DC worked in CR even though he wasn't the typical, obvious choice.

(Appreciate we have stepped over into Next Bond Actor thread here).

"Any of the opposition around..?"

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if they get Chris Hemsworth to play James Bond,
then they can cast Tom Hiddleston  as his Evil half-brother Blofeld!

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caractacus potts wrote:

if they get Chris Hemsworth to play James Bond,
then they can cast Tom Hiddleston  as his Evil half-brother Blofeld!

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