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Shady Tree wrote:
emtiem wrote:
Shady Tree wrote:

A number of key scenes in OP necessitate generic uses of in-world, or diegetic, music (such as the circus scenes, the percussion of the safari hunt - or the music to which the girls dance when masquerading as courtesans before beginning their raid on Kamal's palace). When compared with some of the other Bonds that Barry scored, this requirement for diegetic music is higher in OP and may have limited his opportunity to write more of the extra-diegetic cues for which we love him?

Would you say there's more in this one? I've not really thought about that before- I can't think of there being a lot in this one. Apparently a lot of the circus music was just licensed library music- not by Barry. I feel like Diamonds may have more diegetic, or perhaps even OHMSS. If you're counting Vijay's snake charming music that's not fair! ajb007/biggrin

In DAF, 'At The Whyte House' is diegetic music. 'Circus Circus' and 'Slumber Inc' are also diegetic, I suppose - though it's probably more true to say that these two tracks play in an indeterminate area between the diegetic and the extra-diegetic.

In TB the cues at Club Kiss Kiss bleed in and out of the diegetic and the extra-diegetic, suffusing Bond's subjective experience of his world with a mood defined by the music.

In OHMSS snatches of 'Do You Know How Christmas Trees Are Grown?', sung by Nina, are clearly diegetic... seasonal background music played during winter sports and festivities.

Plus you get the casino tracks in quite a few films (OHMSS included, often versions of the title song melody) which as you say are kind of both diegetic and extra-digetic: can Bond hear them playing or is it music playing over the film? It's not really clear!

Bond only hears his own theme tune in this movie (and in Licence To Kill I guess, but I doubt he was paying attention to the noise those bullets made!), but how often does he seem to hear the movie's title song? LALD springs to mind immediately; he seems to in the casino in OHMSS, TWINE, maybe DAF, in the boat at the end of FRWL he's listening to Matt Munro... any more?

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Golrush007 wrote:

It's certainly not Barry at his most dynamic, but then I tend to like a lot of the more low-key, background type cues on Barry soundtracks of the later period - such as Bond Look Alike on this album, and The Sniper Was a Woman on The Living Daylights.

'Bond Look Alike' is an interesting one. Its incorporation of Bond theme elements is possibly part of Barry's response to a brief to increase use of the Bond theme in OP for branding purposes as a preemptive strike against the unofficial NSNA. (Barry had made less, and more oblique, use of the Bond theme in MR.) Curiously, 'Bond Look Alike' also includes already some of Barry's 'Indian' touches, around the sexiness of Tina Hudson, even though the PTS setting is Latin America and Bianca is a Latin American girl. This is all the more curious when it's borne in mind that Maurice Binder eschewed Indian imagery for his credits sequence because he knew that the titles would be followed directly by a scene set in East Berlin.

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emtiem wrote:

Plus you get the casino tracks in quite a few films (OHMSS included, often versions of the title song melody) which as you say are kind of both diegetic and extra-digetic: can Bond hear them playing or is it music playing over the film? It's not really clear!

You're right. OHMSS's 'Try' is in this category. Perhaps in the later Bond films which Barry scored, including OP, the demarcation between diegetic and extra-diegetic music is less often blurred.

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Shady Tree wrote:
Golrush007 wrote:

It's certainly not Barry at his most dynamic, but then I tend to like a lot of the more low-key, background type cues on Barry soundtracks of the later period - such as Bond Look Alike on this album, and The Sniper Was a Woman on The Living Daylights.

'Bond Look Alike' is an interesting one. It's incorporation of Bond theme elements is possibly part of Barry's response to a brief to increase use of the Bond theme in OPY for branding purposes as a preemptive strike of against the unofficial NSNA. (Barry had made less, and more oblique, use of the Bond theme in MR.)

It is funny that I remember first watching Octopussy properly and being able to hum along with the music straight away even though I didn't know it! Obviously it helps that the music we first hear as Bond is arriving in his Range Rover is a play on the Bond theme, but if you know John Barry you also know he's going to repeat that phrase straight away! ajb007/biggrin

Shady Tree wrote:

Curiously, 'Bond Look Alike' also includes already some of Barry's 'Indian' touches, ound the sexiness of Tina Hudson, even though the PTS setting is Latin America and Bianca is a Latin American girl. This is all the more curious when it's borne in mind that Maurice Binder eschewed Indian imagery for his credits sequence because he knew that the titles would be followed directly by a scene set in East Berlin.

Bonkers. The more I think about what Binder didn't put in his title sequences the more I wonder what he was thinking of.
Why not a bit of Berlin wall stuff then? And what's wrong with foreshadowing the Indian location? Indian imagery would have been amazing to use. Or the egg, some Russian jewellery, something! As Kleiman has shown, these films are so rich how can you fail to think of stuff to put in them and end up with bland nothings like TLD or LTK?

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There are more examples of music doubling as diegetic, such as "Mojave Club" in TSWLM, but the practice in Bond goes all the way back to DN- the most obvious being "Under The Mango Tree".
Perhaps a dedicated thread may be of interest?

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Barbel wrote:

There are more examples of music doubling as diegetic, such as "Mojave Club" in TSWLM, but the practice in Bond goes all the way back to DN- the most obvious being "Under The Mango Tree".
Perhaps a dedicated thread may be of interest?

Sure. It is at least a relevant film to be discussing that subject under though as it's the only one where Bond actually hears his own theme tune! ajb007/smile

'Mango Tree' we at least know for sure is diegetic because Bond sings it himself! ajb007/biggrin

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Warm-up for tonight: Calvin Dyson on the promotion short "James Bond in India"-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQLyIEejACY

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Please make sure drink orders are in by T-Mins 15 mins.
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Thanks, TB2!



Number24 wrote:

Warm-up for tonight: Calvin Dyson on the promotion short "James Bond in India"-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQLyIEejACY

Watching that right now.  ajb007/smile

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Time reference:

https://greenwichmeantime.com/


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President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

-------Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!------

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Barbel wrote:

Thanks, TB2!



Number24 wrote:

Warm-up for tonight: Calvin Dyson on the promotion short "James Bond in India"-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQLyIEejACY

Watching that right now.  ajb007/smile

That's a pretty fair assessment of 'James Bond In India'. I imagine it was a short for the cinema. I think it was made by Jerry Juroe, who was responsible for publicity and highly experienced  - which makes all the more surprising the tendency of this short to lapse into longeurs. The narrator derided by Dyson sounds like Michael Jayston, a familiar and prolific voiceover artist of the time as well as an onscreen actor. If it was he, he'd also narrated trailers of some of the earlier Bond films.

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5 minutes till loading up
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President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

-------Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!------

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Shady Tree wrote:

The narrator derided by Dyson sounds like Michael Jayston, a familiar and prolific voiceover artist of the time as well as an onscreen actor. If it was he, he'd also narrated trailers of some of the earlier Bond films.

As well as played Bond in a BBC Radio production of YOLT

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Please load your players up now

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President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

-------Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!------

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Shady Tree wrote:

The narrator derided by Dyson sounds like Michael Jayston, a familiar and prolific voiceover artist of the time as well as an onscreen actor. .

I haven't seen this in its entirety, but from the portion that I watched the narrator sounds like Patrick Allen. Allen is also a prolific voice over artist, and also narrated some Bond trailers of that era. I've seen him in a couple of films as well, including The Wild Geese, and he was the villain in the final episode of series 1 of Blackadder.

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5 minutes.

Please pause your players right in front of the gunbarrel.
We hit play precisely at 19:10 GMT

President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

-------Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!------

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https://giphy.com/gifs/bugs-bunny-running-exercise-QJvwBSGaoc4eI/fullscreen

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All set, Mr Higgins sir.

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Golrush007 wrote:
Shady Tree wrote:

The narrator derided by Dyson sounds like Michael Jayston, a familiar and prolific voiceover artist of the time as well as an onscreen actor. .

I haven't seen this in its entirety, but the from the portion that I watched, the narrator sounds like Patrick Allen. Allen is also a prolific voice over artist, and also narrated some Bond trailers of that era. I've seen him in a couple of films as well, including The Wild Geese, and he was the villain in the final episode of series 1 of Blackadder.

I concur, sounds more like Allen than Jayston.

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1 minute

President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

-------Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!------

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I'm here.  I've been annihilated with meetings and such today so I'm way behind on pics/gifs.

Current rankings:
OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>OP>DN>
TWINE>TND>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton

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Welcome aboard!

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President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

-------Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!------

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Music “Bond Look Alike” (discussed above)