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JTM wrote:

Yes we sure are a emphatic bunch when it comes to our little interest  ajb007/lol  My opinion on a certain actress definitely doesn’t affect my opinion on the film though—CR is still at or near the top of my “list”.

Please don't take it personally.  There are several high profile actors/actresses who baffle me.  It'd be a boring world if we all liked the same things. 

ajb007/smile  ajb007/martini  ajb007/martini  ajb007/smile

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Shady Tree wrote:

Seeing these gifs reminds me that she really was perfect casting as Fleming's Vesper, even by looks alone.

I still think she was miscast to be honest: i don't think she's great at the repartee stuff. Craig is being sparkling but she's like a rock when it should be bouncing back and forth a bit. And also, I don't care hugely about the nationality stuff (we've had an Irish Bond and a Canadian Moneypenny of course) but I do find her a little hard to buy as a British Treasury officer.
I also don't get why she seems to always empty her lungs just before she starts speaking ajb007/smile

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JTM wrote:

Controversial opinion but I really don’t get the appeal of Green—it looks like she turned up to set for the day of shooting and was only then briefly told how to act as well as be sexy/seductive  ajb007/takecover

You are not alone, JTM.
Green does not much for me - the only time that she looks really stunning is in the shower scenes imo.
Caterina Murino on the other hand is everything that you can wish from a woman.
She is gorgeous, sexy, cute and just amazing.

And btw, as much as I like CR as a whole, I truely hate* the „you took my armour off“ talk.
Annoying as hell and totally unconvincingly played by both of them.

Maybe Gymkata can find some nice Caterina Murino .gifs just to balance things out

* on a „Oh no - he‘s weeping again“ Level

Last edited by Higgins (3rd Jun 2020 07:44)

President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

-------Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!------

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I'm with Higgins on disliking the "armour" dialogue.
However (and here we go) on the subject of miscasting I don't think it's Green that was miscast in this film.
As a lifelong fan of the book, I was thrilled to see it onscreen, more or less accurately (2nd half anyway). The book's characters (Vesper, Le Chiffre, Mathis, Leiter, M) all present and correct, some necessary updating, Fleming highlights and incidents rendered or interpreted. After all those years to see CR done right.
It was enough to make the film an instant favourite, even though....
I do not like Craig as Bond. Never have, never will. It doesn't stop me enjoying his Bond movies (I'm not Higgins) but to me he is not James Bond and is the weakest part of CR06.
It's been many years now, and I do understand that I hold a minority view. Still, I won't be watching on Friday pointing this out at every opportunity (did I mention that I'm not Higgins?).

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Barbel wrote:

I do not like Craig as Bond. Never have, never will. It doesn't stop me enjoying his Bond movies (I'm not Higgins) but to me he is not James Bond and is the weakest part of CR06.
It's been many years now, and I do understand that I hold a minority view. Still, I won't be watching on Friday pointing this out at every opportunity (did I mention that I'm not Higgins?).

Oh, I very much enjoy Craig‘s Bonds.
Actually all of them with a preference for CR  ajb007/wink

President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

-------Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!------

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Like Gymkata says, it'd be a boring world if we all liked the same things.

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I'm looking forward to going back to Casino Royale - I think it's been a couple of years since my last viewing of it. It sits in the #2 spot on my Bond ranking just behind FRWL...I doubt that will change, but at this point I'm not quite sure where I'd place Craig in a ranking of Bond actors. When CR first came out I was certainly quite enamoured with Craig's portrayal and I think I ranked him second only to Connery. 14 years later he might have slipped down a place or two, but I'm not sure yet who would go above him. Possibly Dalton, and I think my appreciation for Moore has grown a bit in recent years.

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Barbel wrote:

I'm with Higgins on disliking the "armour" dialogue.
However (and here we go) on the subject of miscasting I don't think it's Green that was miscast in this film.
As a lifelong fan of the book, I was thrilled to see it onscreen, more or less accurately (2nd half anyway). The book's characters (Vesper, Le Chiffre, Mathis, Leiter, M) all present and correct, some necessary updating, Fleming highlights and incidents rendered or interpreted. After all those years to see CR done right.
It was enough to make the film an instant favourite, even though....
I do not like Craig as Bond. Never have, never will. It doesn't stop me enjoying his Bond movies (I'm not Higgins) but to me he is not James Bond and is the weakest part of CR06.
It's been many years now, and I do understand that I hold a minority view. Still, I won't be watching on Friday pointing this out at every opportunity (did I mention that I'm not Higgins?).


He's not Fleming's Bond, no, but to be honest I find him more interesting. And he represents the flavour of those novels if not the exact character represented in them, far more so than Brosnan for example.
He's perfectly cast for that script, whereas I'd say Green isn't.

The moment when he crashes the Germans' Range Rover in the car park feels like the golden age of Bond coming back, and with a twist. I can't even imagine Dalton's Bond pulling that off with that much swagger- he'd be looking furtive and nervous.

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Golrush007 wrote:

I'm looking forward to going back to Casino Royale - I think it's been a couple of years since my last viewing of it. It sits in the #2 spot on my Bond ranking just behind FRWL...I doubt that will change, but at this point I'm not quite sure where I'd place Craig in a ranking of Bond actors. When CR first came out I was certainly quite enamoured with Craig's portrayal and I think I ranked him second only to Connery. 14 years later he might have slipped down a place or two, but I'm not sure yet who would go above him. Possibly Dalton, and I think my appreciation for Moore has grown a bit in recent years.

I think it's Craig and Connery at the top as the best, to be honest. But Roger is perhaps my favourite ajb007/smile

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emtiem wrote:
Barbel wrote:

I'm with Higgins on disliking the "armour" dialogue.
However (and here we go) on the subject of miscasting I don't think it's Green that was miscast in this film.
As a lifelong fan of the book, I was thrilled to see it onscreen, more or less accurately (2nd half anyway). The book's characters (Vesper, Le Chiffre, Mathis, Leiter, M) all present and correct, some necessary updating, Fleming highlights and incidents rendered or interpreted. After all those years to see CR done right.
It was enough to make the film an instant favourite, even though....
I do not like Craig as Bond. Never have, never will. It doesn't stop me enjoying his Bond movies (I'm not Higgins) but to me he is not James Bond and is the weakest part of CR06.
It's been many years now, and I do understand that I hold a minority view. Still, I won't be watching on Friday pointing this out at every opportunity (did I mention that I'm not Higgins?).


He's not Fleming's Bond, no, but to be honest I find him more interesting. And he represents the flavour of those novels if not the exact character represented in them, far more so than Brosnan for example.
He's perfectly cast for that script, whereas I'd say Green isn't.

That's a fair point of view. I don't see it that way, but I see where you're coming from.

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Actually, thinking again, it's probably not true of me to say he's perfectly cast for that script because he's a little bit too old! I think you can tell that ideally he would have maybe nearly ten years younger for the story they're telling. But he is the right type for it.

I suspect they really wanted Cavill (then 23) to work out for it, but Craig was just better.

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Barbel wrote:

Like Gymkata says, it'd be a boring world if we all liked the same things.

ajb007/smile  ajb007/martini  ajb007/martini  ajb007/smile

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Gymkata, please check your pms

President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

-------Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!------

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Checked and answered.

ajb007/smile  ajb007/martini

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My misgivings about CR - which is a very good Bond film - are not to do with its principals' performances but with its lumpen structure: we have two extended action sequences, and a detour via TB territory (Nassau), before getting into the adaptation of 'Casino Royale' proper. The plot is coherent but the structure is odd. Also, I think some of the general audience may have been disoriented by the 'early' death of Le Chiffre, the main villain, since this comes well before the film is over with: faithful to the book, certainly; but not faithful to the established (cosy) formula of Bond films.

Craig is a mid/mid-to-high ranking Bond, imho, and a skilled actor. MGW and Barbara Broccoli were certainly going out of their way to break the mould but, particularly when watching CR for the first time, I realised how much I missed a Bond with a 'likeable' personality. (Step forward Sir Roger!) On a positive note, I liked CR's instrumental music as a Barry-esque David Arnold score finally unencumbered by the distracting excesses of his 90s electronica stylings.

Last edited by Shady Tree (3rd Jun 2020 16:49)

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Shady Tree wrote:

My misgivings about CR - which is a very good Bond film - are not to do with its principals' performances but with its lumpen structure: we have two extended action sequences, and a detour via TB territory (Nassau), before getting into the adaptation of 'Casino Royale' proper. The plot is coherent but the structure is odd. Also, I think some of the general audience may have been disoriented by the 'early' death of Le Chiffre, the main villain, since this comes well before the film is over with: faithful to the book, certainly; but not faithful to the established (cosy) formula of Bond films.

Craig is a mid/mid-to-high ranking Bond, imho, and a skilled actor. MGW and Barbara Broccoli were certainly going out of their way to break the mould but, particularly when watching CR for the first time, I realised how much I missed a Bond with a 'likeable' personality. (Step forward Sir Roger!) On a positive note, I liked CR's instrumental music as a Barry-esque David Arnold score finally unencumbered by the distracting excesses of his 90s electronica stylings.

I rather agree with your points.

The first act of the film is clunky.  The individual scenes are excellent but there's no real flow to them.  Once the actual CR plot kicks into gear, the movie settles into a really nice groove for the rest of the runtime, including the whole climax in Venice.

As to Craig, I think he's excellent in this.  He's deliberately unlikable for the first act of the film because he's 'a machine'.  He's hyper focused and intent, and I think as a character he's intent on proving to M and to himself that he's cut out to be a 00 agent.  Once the CR plot starts properly, he's forced to play a character at the card table.  Once he starts doing that, he eases back on the intensity and allows himself to connect to others.  It's a smooth transition and allows Craig to humanize Bond quite a bit, generating sympathy with the audience.

But then again, I like Daniel Craig as an actor.  I personally think that MUNICH is his best film (with KNIVES OUT probably being in the #2 slot) but he's a solid Bond actor.  I think he brings a lot of subtle nuance to the role that some of the other actors have not.  Moore is still my guy, though.

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One of the Bond series' strengths compared to Mission Impossible is Craig and his co-stars great acting ability. MI can show Tom Cruise's face during spectacular action scenes, but the Bond films can show emotionally complex drama while MI often can feels empty and without strong emotional connestions to the characters doing the stunts.

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Shady Tree wrote:

My misgivings about CR - which is a very good Bond film - are not to do with its principals' performances but with its lumpen structure: we have two extended action sequences, and a detour via TB territory (Nassau), before getting into the adaptation of 'Casino Royale' proper. The plot is coherent but the structure is odd. Also, I think some of the general audience may have been disoriented by the 'early' death of Le Chiffre, the main villain, since this comes well before the film is over with: faithful to the book, certainly; but not faithful to the established (cosy) formula of Bond films.

I don't think that's a problem because by the audience is genuinely interested in the story being about Bond and his relationship with Vesper- we want to know what happens next with them. Seeing Bond happy with a woman and actually walking around giggling arm-in-arm is a pretty groundbreaking moment- we've never seen him in a real loving relationship before (sure there's Tracy, but by the time he's fallen in love with her we barely see them together).
The lumpy structure really kicks in when they feel they have to have a big action climax and so we get the sinking building, but I found that really frustrating because I was far less interested in seeing Bond beat up another load of guys than I was to see where his relationship with Vesper was headed: that was the interesting climax, not action. I think that sinking building setpiece is a bit of a loss of confidence from the producers to trust in the film they were making.

Shady Tree wrote:

Craig is a mid/mid-to-high ranking Bond, imho, and a skilled actor. MGW and Barbara Broccoli were certainly going out of their way to break the mould but, particularly when watching CR for the first time, I realised how much I missed a Bond with a 'likeable' personality.

I think he's certainly likeable and we enjoy seeing him do cool things and getting victories. But he's also fallible and we actually see him get it wrong several times, even wincing for him when he takes the wrong path. He's actually human in this and that can't be understated.
I loved that trailer for this that ended on him crashing the Aston Martin. That's a proper 'you've not seen Bond do this before' moment: a real cliffhanger to see the film. This Bond gets in real trouble.

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The CR06 score has a LOT of cues- 25 on the OST CD, plus about 15 more from other sources (eg downloads)- compared to its predecessors. If I named them all with a comment or two during the movie it would be tedious ("No!" I hear you cry  ajb007/tongue ) and leave me little time for anything else, so this time I'll only mention some of them.

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Barbel wrote:

The CR06 score has a LOT of cues- 25 on the OST CD, plus about 15 more from other sources (eg downloads)- compared to its predecessors. If I named them all with a comment or two during the movie it would be tedious ("No!" I hear you cry  ajb007/tongue ) and leave me little time for anything else, so this time I'll only mention some of them.

Speaking of the OST, I had “Blunt Instrument” as my morning alarm for years—it was a fantastic way to wake up!

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Good choice!  ajb007/lol

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There's been a lot of focus on Eva Green here lately, and that's allways a good thing. But let's not forget about Caterina Murino!


https://images2.alphacoders.com/272/272180.jpg

https://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/2085675/740full-caterina-murino.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cZ6dpuFjo6M/TaVsaWUVDZI/AAAAAAAACGY/KxZImk1QcR4/s1600/hot%20Caterina%20Murino%20sexy%20pics-2.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-l9IvHVuZSiM/TmTDLs6rg0I/AAAAAAAABGQ/pHbUmhkFOMU/s1600/Hot+Caterina+Murino+Pictures+%252813%2529.jpg

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ajb007/heart  ajb007/heart  applause

Take that, Eva Green!  ajb007/biggrin  ajb007/biggrin

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I have no doubt Eva Green can take that, whatever that means  ajb007/shifty 
But we should take care and not forget Ivana Milicevic!


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KoSQfUkdNFk/Uf5Vfo7GLBI/AAAAAAAAaJ4/FHo51mJ-nU4/s640/Ivana-Milicevic-002.jpg

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[img]www.tvfiles.net/photo/Ivana%20Milicevic/Ivana-Milicevic-25.jpg[/img]

http://www.comicsforsinners.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/banshee_p1.jpg

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-lkPdXG5yUAw/XGh12UYXcwI/AAAAAAAAFyE/0v34wa10aBomp2A_yvmkoG4G8GptUK1vQCHMYCw/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/ivana-milicevic-hot-hd-wallpapers.jpg

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That 'Fanshees' shirt refers to the fact that she was one of the leads on the Cinemax tv series BANSHEE.  Fun show, if you've never seen it. 

You see a LOT of her on that show, by the way.

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