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Topic: Bond After Fleming

I'm currently reading Night Probe! by Clive Cussler, in which a thinly-disguised Bond features as a supporting character. Set in 1989 (but written in '81), he is portrayed as a sixty-six year old former MI6 agent, recently returned from the West Indies, and now a gentleman farmer on the Isle of White. He attends M's funeral, where he is reunited with Moneypenny, upon which he is pulled back into espionage. 

It's set me thinking of other times in which the character has been resurrected outside the work of Fleming, Gardner, Benson et al.

In film, we have Lazenby's Bond in Return of the Man From U.N.C.L.E: 'The Fifteen Years Later Affair'.; Connery's Bond in The Rock (hinted in the film itself, and also the director's intention), and Brosnan's Bond in his SPAR Premium adverts aired in Austria.

In literature, we have the 2014 novel A Kill in the Morning by Graeme Shimmin, an alternative history thriller set in 1955 in which Bond is, of course, nameless; he's 'Jimmy' Bond in Alan Moore and Kevin O'Neill's The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, also appears in Dracula Cha Cha Cha by Kim Newman.

Can anyone think of any more?

Last edited by DavidJones (26th Jul 2020 00:17)

My Top 10 Bond Films: Octopussy, Goldeneye, From Russia With Love, The Living Daylights, Tomorrow Never Dies, Licence to Kill, For Your Eyes Only, Moonraker, Goldfinger and The Spy Who Loved Me.

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The Brosnan SPAR Premium adverts are an interesting example. If we're considering commercials where a Bond actor riffs on their 007 image, I can think of a few more examples:



This bizarre 1980s Japanese cigarette commercial starring Roger Moore himself (skip to 1:37)!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veZFkkgR5pY

Pierce pitches some Bond-style ideas in a 2016 car advert:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTYiU-Xge9o


Daniel Craig advertises Heineken in 2015, this time definitely in character as Bond:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0-AJYlJcF0

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No introduction needed!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OrhVj09gyhA

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tHK18m3Tk0c

"How was your lamb?" "Skewered. One sympathises."

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I couldn't find a copy of Night probe for ages then of all places I found a copy
in a used book stall in Portugal on a family holiday  ajb007/wink  good adventure story.

“I remember the last thing my Nan said to me before she died.
‘What are you doing here with that hammer?’”..... Lee Mack.

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Loved these and found another one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfGo0p … rhVj09gyhA


There is also Daniel Craig as Bond escorting the Queen to the Olympics.

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Thunderpussy wrote:

I couldn't find a copy of Night probe for ages then of all places I found a copy
in a used book stall in Portugal on a family holiday  ajb007/wink  good adventure story.

I'm liking it so far.

I thought I'd get into Cussler books as they're so similar to Bond.

My Top 10 Bond Films: Octopussy, Goldeneye, From Russia With Love, The Living Daylights, Tomorrow Never Dies, Licence to Kill, For Your Eyes Only, Moonraker, Goldfinger and The Spy Who Loved Me.

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I'm a fan of Clive Cussler and
Find it amazing how his stories
Never seem to work as movies.
They always seem to fail ?

“I remember the last thing my Nan said to me before she died.
‘What are you doing here with that hammer?’”..... Lee Mack.

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DavidJones wrote:

In literature, we have the 2014 novel A Kill in the Morning by Graeme Shimmin, an alternative history thriller set in 1955 in which Bond is, of course, nameless

Ive not come across this one before. Bond vs. the Nazis? I'll go for that ajb007/smile

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Thunderpussy wrote:

I'm a fan of Clive Cussler and
Find it amazing how his stories
Never seem to work as movies.
They always seem to fail ?

From what I gather, the reason both Raise the Titanic and Sahara didn't succeed was that they went grossly over-budget.

This is a very interesting article on how Cussler allowed himself too much influence on Sahara:

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm … story.html

and how the producers wasted money:

https://web.archive.org/web/20070518192 … -headlines

My Top 10 Bond Films: Octopussy, Goldeneye, From Russia With Love, The Living Daylights, Tomorrow Never Dies, Licence to Kill, For Your Eyes Only, Moonraker, Goldfinger and The Spy Who Loved Me.

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Just watching The November Man (what does everyone thing of it?), as I heard Pierce wanted this to be his Craig-like Bond film.

Interesting how he refers derisively to his former protege as a "blunt instrument", which was a common description Fleming gave of Bond, echoed by M in 2006's Casino Royale. Maybe Pierce was taking a swipe at Craig's version?

My Top 10 Bond Films: Octopussy, Goldeneye, From Russia With Love, The Living Daylights, Tomorrow Never Dies, Licence to Kill, For Your Eyes Only, Moonraker, Goldfinger and The Spy Who Loved Me.

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DavidJones wrote:
Thunderpussy wrote:

I'm a fan of Clive Cussler and
Find it amazing how his stories
Never seem to work as movies.
They always seem to fail ?

From what I gather, the reason both Raise the Titanic and Sahara didn't succeed was that they went grossly over-budget.

This is a very interesting article on how Cussler allowed himself too much influence on Sahara:

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm … story.html

and how the producers wasted money:

https://web.archive.org/web/20070518192 … -headlines

It's a shame: I did enjoy Sahara a lot and I thought McConaughey made a really good, fun lead in it. I'd have watched more.

I did just read the synopsis for that Night Probe! novel you mentioned though: that's an insane world-changing plot ajb007/biggrin
It sounds like they even make it explicitly clear that it's Bond at the end..? You can't change Bond's name to Brian though!

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emtiem wrote:
DavidJones wrote:

In literature, we have the 2014 novel A Kill in the Morning by Graeme Shimmin, an alternative history thriller set in 1955 in which Bond is, of course, nameless

Ive not come across this one before. Bond vs. the Nazis? I'll go for that ajb007/smile

I think the Fleming publishers are making a mistake by not hiring a good author to write books about James Bond's adventures as a young man during WWII.

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emtiem wrote:
DavidJones wrote:
Thunderpussy wrote:

I'm a fan of Clive Cussler and
Find it amazing how his stories
Never seem to work as movies.
They always seem to fail ?

From what I gather, the reason both Raise the Titanic and Sahara didn't succeed was that they went grossly over-budget.

This is a very interesting article on how Cussler allowed himself too much influence on Sahara:

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm … story.html

and how the producers wasted money:

https://web.archive.org/web/20070518192 … -headlines

It's a shame: I did enjoy Sahara a lot and I thought McConaughey made a really good, fun lead in it. I'd have watched more.

I did just read the synopsis for that Night Probe! novel you mentioned though: that's an insane world-changing plot ajb007/biggrin
It sounds like they even make it explicitly clear that it's Bond at the end..? You can't change Bond's name to Brian though!

I haven't got to the end yet, but certainly his first scene Cussler makes it blindingly obvious. It's stated explicitly that Brian Shaw is a new name, for instance.

And I agree that his new name is a bit too ordinary! (Though perhaps that makes it a good cover).

My Top 10 Bond Films: Octopussy, Goldeneye, From Russia With Love, The Living Daylights, Tomorrow Never Dies, Licence to Kill, For Your Eyes Only, Moonraker, Goldfinger and The Spy Who Loved Me.

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Number24 wrote:
emtiem wrote:
DavidJones wrote:

In literature, we have the 2014 novel A Kill in the Morning by Graeme Shimmin, an alternative history thriller set in 1955 in which Bond is, of course, nameless

Ive not come across this one before. Bond vs. the Nazis? I'll go for that ajb007/smile

I think the Fleming publishers are making a mistake by not hiring a good author to write books about James Bond's adventures as a young man during WWII.

Yes, certainly; it's something Bond fans have talked about for years- especially when the first Young Bond series finished: it would have been great for Charlie Higson to have carried him on into the war. I think he's possibly the best continuation author. Someone even suggested calling it 'War Bond' which is too delicious not to use ajb007/biggrin

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DavidJones wrote:
emtiem wrote:
DavidJones wrote:

From what I gather, the reason both Raise the Titanic and Sahara didn't succeed was that they went grossly over-budget.

This is a very interesting article on how Cussler allowed himself too much influence on Sahara:

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm … story.html

and how the producers wasted money:

https://web.archive.org/web/20070518192 … -headlines

It's a shame: I did enjoy Sahara a lot and I thought McConaughey made a really good, fun lead in it. I'd have watched more.

I did just read the synopsis for that Night Probe! novel you mentioned though: that's an insane world-changing plot ajb007/biggrin
It sounds like they even make it explicitly clear that it's Bond at the end..? You can't change Bond's name to Brian though!

I haven't got to the end yet, but certainly his first scene Cussler makes it blindingly obvious. It's stated explicitly that Brian Shaw is a new name, for instance.

And I agree that his new name is a bit too ordinary! (Though perhaps that makes it a good cover).

Ah okay: good thing I didn't spoil anything! ajb007/smile How does he make it obvious? I take it M and Moneypenny aren't actually named?

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emtiem wrote:
DavidJones wrote:
emtiem wrote:

It's a shame: I did enjoy Sahara a lot and I thought McConaughey made a really good, fun lead in it. I'd have watched more.

I did just read the synopsis for that Night Probe! novel you mentioned though: that's an insane world-changing plot ajb007/biggrin
It sounds like they even make it explicitly clear that it's Bond at the end..? You can't change Bond's name to Brian though!

I haven't got to the end yet, but certainly his first scene Cussler makes it blindingly obvious. It's stated explicitly that Brian Shaw is a new name, for instance.

And I agree that his new name is a bit too ordinary! (Though perhaps that makes it a good cover).

Ah okay: good thing I didn't spoil anything! ajb007/smile How does he make it obvious? I take it M and Moneypenny aren't actually named?

Well, it's a bit clumsy how it's done, but Moneypenny says she's since married a man named Graham Huston, which conveniently allows her to be called 'Mrs Huston' by our man, and M is referred to as "the chief" or "the old man", but as he's dead that's far as it goes. Mention is also made of Shaw's wife who was killed and that SMERSH would be glad to see him dead too.

I've just tried to find extracts online, but no joy. On Youtube, however, there's an audio version. It's sound a bit electronic and tinny, but it's clear enough to understand. It starts at the 1:57:15 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWysiPd0AmE

Last edited by DavidJones (26th Jul 2020 18:57)

My Top 10 Bond Films: Octopussy, Goldeneye, From Russia With Love, The Living Daylights, Tomorrow Never Dies, Licence to Kill, For Your Eyes Only, Moonraker, Goldfinger and The Spy Who Loved Me.

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emtiem wrote:
Number24 wrote:
emtiem wrote:

Ive not come across this one before. Bond vs. the Nazis? I'll go for that ajb007/smile

I think the Fleming publishers are making a mistake by not hiring a good author to write books about James Bond's adventures as a young man during WWII.

Yes, certainly; it's something Bond fans have talked about for years- especially when the first Young Bond series finished: it would have been great for Charlie Higson to have carried him on into the war. I think he's possibly the best continuation author. Someone even suggested calling it 'War Bond' which is too delicious not to use ajb007/biggrin

"War Bond" is a great idea!  ajb007/bond

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DavidJones wrote:
emtiem wrote:
DavidJones wrote:

I haven't got to the end yet, but certainly his first scene Cussler makes it blindingly obvious. It's stated explicitly that Brian Shaw is a new name, for instance.

And I agree that his new name is a bit too ordinary! (Though perhaps that makes it a good cover).

Ah okay: good thing I didn't spoil anything! ajb007/smile How does he make it obvious? I take it M and Moneypenny aren't actually named?

Well, it's a bit clumsy how it's done, but Moneypenny says she's since married a man named Graham Huston, which conveniently allows her to be called 'Mrs Huston' by our man, and M is referred to as "the chief" or "the old man", but as he's dead that's far as it goes. Mention is also made of Shaw's wife who was killed and that SMERSH would be glad to see him dead too.

I've just tried to find extracts online, but no joy. On Youtube, however, there's an audio version. It's sound a bit electronic and tinny, but it's clear enough to understand. It starts at the 1:57:15 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWysiPd0AmE

Heh! Thanks- calling her by her married name is a rather neat dodge! I had a listen though, it is fantastically cheeky as there's no doubt at all! ajb007/biggrin
The only problem is the idea of Bond retiring to the Isle of Wight... Nope!

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emtiem wrote:

The only problem is the idea of Bond retiring to the Isle of Wight... Nope!

Perhaps he's spent so much of his life going abroad, living in or near Britain is a novelty for him ajb007/smile

My Top 10 Bond Films: Octopussy, Goldeneye, From Russia With Love, The Living Daylights, Tomorrow Never Dies, Licence to Kill, For Your Eyes Only, Moonraker, Goldfinger and The Spy Who Loved Me.

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There is a joke that the Isle of Wight is
Still set in the 1950s, so he might feel
At home there   ajb007/wink

“I remember the last thing my Nan said to me before she died.
‘What are you doing here with that hammer?’”..... Lee Mack.

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emtiem wrote:

Bond vs. the Nazis? I'll go for that ajb007/smile

Number24 wrote:

I think the Fleming publishers are making a mistake by not hiring a good author to write books about James Bond's adventures as a young man during WWII.

emtiem wrote:

Yes, certainly; it's something Bond fans have talked about for years- especially when the first Young Bond series finished: it would have been great for Charlie Higson to have carried him on into the war. I think he's possibly the best continuation author. Someone even suggested calling it 'War Bond' which is too delicious not to use ajb007/biggrin

There is the Dynamite Comics series Origin, which covers a bit of James Bond's wartime adventures, I think they published two volumes, and I think those comics are all official IFP-approved publications (otherwise they couldn't legally use the name).

The hype when it started claimed Origin was meant to fit in between Young Bond and Forever and a Day, as if those three separate projects add up to the official continuity pre-Casino Royale.

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I got some of the comics with a Humble Bundle but I'm really struggling with them: I haven't read a good one yet. They seem to have neither the style and wit of the films or the eccentric kinkiness of the novels, and are just rather bland as a result. And they put Bond in a black suit everywhere, including the steamy streets of Thailand- he looks stupid.

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DavidJones wrote:

In literature, we have the 2014 novel A Kill in the Morning by Graeme Shimmin, an alternative history thriller set in 1955 in which Bond is, of course, nameless

Ive received my copy of this now: looking forward to it as it seems to get lots of very positive reviews! Thanks for the tip-off!

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As somewhat an aside to the original question, but playing off of one of the comments in this thread, HBO has remade Perry Mason. It isn't the Raymond Burr version at all. For anyone that hasn't seen it, Mason, played by The American's Matthew Rhys, is a down-and-out attorney that cases the case of a lifetime. It is dirty and gritty. I have seen the first few episodes and it is pretty great. Upon watching it, I couldn't help to think of what a version of Bond like this would be like. Rather by tv series, movie or book series, it would interesting to see our hero like that.

"History isn't kind to men who play God." - DC "I gave him the limp." - PB  "Better make that two." - TD

"Keeping British end up, sir." - RM "This never happened to the other fellow." - JL "I must be dreaming." SC

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I must keep an eye out for that, I was a big fan of the Raymond Burr series

“I remember the last thing my Nan said to me before she died.
‘What are you doing here with that hammer?’”..... Lee Mack.