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Jarvio wrote:
Royale-les-Eaux wrote:

They don't need to tell the future, they can see the present

I know they can see the present, that's not my point, my point is - why April 2021? The world might be no better at that point.

So I say they should have just released it VOD and accept it won't do as well financially.

I know the world is in a terrible state, I'm not denying it, but it's when they promise release dates that gets on my nerves. They can't promise April 2021, unless they have that crystal ball.

They didn't promise you April 2021. They announced their new plan. No one on that side owes us anything. They will change the date again mid-March if it makes financial sense to do so.

If they only had to worry about catering to Bond's fanbase, they'd be making these much more cheaply and dropping them on Netflix. You don't get billion-dollar box office catering to the core fanbase.

The podcast and the Eilish video dropping this week suggest this was a bit of a last-minute decision, probably triggered by having to make a decision to pay for a new TV campaign (which, it's worth noting, had not started yet).

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HalfMonk HalfHitman wrote:

They didn't promise you April 2021. They announced their new plan. No one on that side owes us anything.

No release date is a promise technically, everything is conditional. But by announcing that specific date, people will get attached and if it gets delayed again it will be an even further bummer. I just think they should VOD it, as tragic as that is. We are in a pandemic which cannot be controlled or predicted unfortunately.

1 - Lald, 2 - Ltk, 3 - Avtak, 4 - Op, 5 - Dn, 6 - Fyeo, 7 - Tswlm, 8 - Daf, 9 - Sf, 10 - Ohmss, 11 - Yolt, 12 - Ge, 13 - Tld, 14 - Mr, 15 - Gf, 16 - Tb, 17 - Tmwtgg, 18 - Sp, 19 - Tnd, 20 - Dad, 21 - Twine, 22 - Frwl, 23 - Cr, 24 - Qos

1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby

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Jarvio wrote:
HalfMonk HalfHitman wrote:

They didn't promise you April 2021. They announced their new plan. No one on that side owes us anything.

No release date is a promise technically, everything is conditional. But by announcing that specific date, people will get attached and if it gets delayed again it will be an even further bummer. I just think they should VOD it, as tragic as that is. We are in a pandemic which cannot be controlled or predicted unfortunately.

There's every indication that they are under no financial pressure to just "get it out there." That only serves the core base who are tired of waiting. It's not a viable business plan. It's a $250 million dollar tentpole, not a Blumhouse horror movie made for $15. VOD is a loss, based on current examples. Tenet is limping (and actually harming theaters by being open).

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HalfMonk HalfHitman wrote:

ry indication that they are under no financial pressure to just "get it out there." That only serves the core base who are tired of waiting. It's not a viable business plan. It's a $250 million dollar tentpole, not a Blumhouse horror movie made for $15. VOD is a loss, based on current examples. Tenet is limping (and actually harming th

I understand your point. But.... what if Covid is with us for another decade, what if cinemas die, what then?

1 - Lald, 2 - Ltk, 3 - Avtak, 4 - Op, 5 - Dn, 6 - Fyeo, 7 - Tswlm, 8 - Daf, 9 - Sf, 10 - Ohmss, 11 - Yolt, 12 - Ge, 13 - Tld, 14 - Mr, 15 - Gf, 16 - Tb, 17 - Tmwtgg, 18 - Sp, 19 - Tnd, 20 - Dad, 21 - Twine, 22 - Frwl, 23 - Cr, 24 - Qos

1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby

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Jarvio wrote:
HalfMonk HalfHitman wrote:

ry indication that they are under no financial pressure to just "get it out there." That only serves the core base who are tired of waiting. It's not a viable business plan. It's a $250 million dollar tentpole, not a Blumhouse horror movie made for $15. VOD is a loss, based on current examples. Tenet is limping (and actually harming th

I understand your point. But.... what if Covid is with us for another decade, what if cinemas die, what then?

Then the whole model will shift, but that model doesn't exist yet. Movie release strategies have become a bit like weather predictions, and until the studios all land on a model that works (it wasn't Mulan; it wasn't Tenet), it's going to be like watching a really long and boring game of chess. They're literally making it up as they go along because it's all they can do.

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HalfMonk HalfHitman wrote:
Jarvio wrote:
Royale-les-Eaux wrote:

They don't need to tell the future, they can see the present

I know they can see the present, that's not my point, my point is - why April 2021? The world might be no better at that point.

So I say they should have just released it VOD and accept it won't do as well financially.

I know the world is in a terrible state, I'm not denying it, but it's when they promise release dates that gets on my nerves. They can't promise April 2021, unless they have that crystal ball.

They didn't promise you April 2021. They announced their new plan. No one on that side owes us anything. They will change the date again mid-March if it makes financial sense to do so.

If they only had to worry about catering to Bond's fanbase, they'd be making these much more cheaply and dropping them on Netflix. You don't get billion-dollar box office catering to the core fanbase.

I agree. Studios have put a lot of money into these big modern films and they will only release them when they're able to make the most money back. Unfortunately for those that want to see the movie as soon as possible, this means releasing the movie via VOD is not a viable option. Studios would definitely have monitored Mulan's VOD release and then seen how little it's managed to make.

And remember, it's not just Bond that's pushing release dates. You've also got movies like Soul (Pixar), Black Widow (Marvel), Wonder Woman 1984 (DC), The Kings Man, Ghostbusters Afterlife, Fast & Furious 9, Top Gun Maverick etc etc etc. These are huge movies with huge fanbases...and huge budgets...and they're being pushed until they can actually make $$ back.

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Jarvio wrote:
HalfMonk HalfHitman wrote:

ry indication that they are under no financial pressure to just "get it out there." That only serves the core base who are tired of waiting. It's not a viable business plan. It's a $250 million dollar tentpole, not a Blumhouse horror movie made for $15. VOD is a loss, based on current examples. Tenet is limping (and actually harming th

I understand your point. But.... what if Covid is with us for another decade, what if cinemas die, what then?

Then the industry will change operations, but there is no immediate and rational question about the going concern of the entire theater industry as of this moment.

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Miles Messervy wrote:

So in April when nothing is better will they just stream the bloody film? Or will we spend the next 2 years the way we have spent the last 2: waiting every six months for a premier that is perpetually delayed! ajb007/mad  This is why the years spent waiting for Craig and then chasing flashy directors is so costly. When you fail to control the things you should, you get burned even worse by the things you don’t control.


Just saw the Trailer in the Cinema (TENET) It was truly underwhelming. Grumpy Seydoux (again) Catatonic Waltz (again) 'Where's Bond ' (again) I swear he's even still wearing the same Chinos. Betrayal (again)...give me strength. I am really trying to look forward to a fitting final instalment for Craig but fear that this wont be it.

So 2021 22 ...dont really care. Of course I'll see it and do my very best to like it but really unenthused. They have run out of ideas. Only upside is that Daniel looks great and there are some nice light touches of humour that suit his style.

Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.

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Jarvio wrote:
Royale-les-Eaux wrote:
Jarvio wrote:

I know they can see the present, that's not my point, my point is - why April 2021? The world might be no better at that point.

So I say they should have just released it VOD and accept it won't do as well financially.

I know the world is in a terrible state, I'm not denying it, but it's when they promise release dates that gets on my nerves. They can't promise April 2021, unless they have that crystal ball.

I know, but theatrical release and big screen experience is in the DNA of Bond. It's event cinema. They will resist and resist and resist VoD, rightly or wrongly. I lean the former by preference.

They're taking the same punt other movies are that 2021 will have seen progress. They're obviously balancing that against wanting to get the film out ASAP so they've gone for what they probably see as the minimum viable delay of 6 months as opposed to late 21 which might be safer but maybe difficult for all sorts of reasons.

It sucks but they're just following their own profile and the rest of the industry.

Cinema is indeed in the DNA of bond. But I don't think they have a choice here. This virus could be with us for years. What if the virus is still bad in 5 years time, and cinemas are still too risky? Cinemas could even be dead by then. It's awful, but they have no choice or control on this.

Nearing April 2021, there will probably be another delay to November 2021, and so on, and fans will lose faith and interest with each delay.

IMO VOD is the only thing they can do now.

I don't think fans or the general public will lose faith in Bond during these delays, I think they  behave like people walking in a desert finding an oasis.
Covid -19 will perhaps be with us in five years, but only in a much lesser way than now. Perhaps the poorest countries are still trying to control it. In the  developed world I think we 'll have some cases popping up now and then, but the pandemic will have faded into the background.
Cinema attendence may have gone furter down, but if cina dies it will tak emany more years.

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The decision to delay till April makes commercial sense, and the stated aim to reach a global theatrical audience holds on to an idea that the cinema remains Bond's first port of call.

I'd already made a personal decision that if NTTD had been released next month I wouldn't be going to the cinema to see it. (I'm a professional key worker on a front line, but I'm also avoiding public venues for recreation and leisure purposes, for the time being, even when they're taking "Covid-secure" mitigation measures.)

While November remained on the cards, I'd resigned myself to waiting for a home entertainment release, avoiding all reviews and spoilers till then, and missing out on seeing a new Bond in the cinema for the first time since 1972.

So personally I not only understand the decision for a further delay but welcome it.

Who knows whether global cinema-going will be any more of a realistic proposition by April (the "global" part seems doubtful)? But at this point it's too early to give up altogether on the idea of a theatrical release being the principal medium of debut.

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Critics and material I don't need. I haven't changed my act in 49 years.

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zaphod99 wrote:
Miles Messervy wrote:

So in April when nothing is better will they just stream the bloody film? Or will we spend the next 2 years the way we have spent the last 2: waiting every six months for a premier that is perpetually delayed! ajb007/mad  This is why the years spent waiting for Craig and then chasing flashy directors is so costly. When you fail to control the things you should, you get burned even worse by the things you don’t control.


Just saw the Trailer in the Cinema (TENET) It was truly underwhelming. Grumpy Seydoux (again) Catatonic Waltz (again) 'Where's Bond ' (again) I swear he's even still wearing the same Chinos. Betrayal (again)...give me strength. I am really trying to look forward to a fitting final instalment for Craig but fear that this wont be it.

So 2021 22 ...dont really care. Of course I'll see it and do my very best to like it but really unenthused. They have run out of ideas. Only upside is that Daniel looks great and there are some nice light touches of humour that suit his style.

I agree with you. Probably many here on the forum don’t. The initial excitement and fervour from the first trailer has now disappeared. I don’t think that can be regenerated now as we have had too much exposure to the storyline and clips of the movie. I think it’s a bad decision. The second wave was expected its only common sense after we’ve been in lockdown But we need to try and get some normality back. The worlds largest manufacturer of vaccines, the Serum Institute of Indian-has said there will not be enough supplies for universal inoculation until 2024 at the earliest.

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sunny01 wrote:
zaphod99 wrote:
Miles Messervy wrote:

So in April when nothing is better will they just stream the bloody film? Or will we spend the next 2 years the way we have spent the last 2: waiting every six months for a premier that is perpetually delayed! ajb007/mad  This is why the years spent waiting for Craig and then chasing flashy directors is so costly. When you fail to control the things you should, you get burned even worse by the things you don’t control.


Just saw the Trailer in the Cinema (TENET) It was truly underwhelming. Grumpy Seydoux (again) Catatonic Waltz (again) 'Where's Bond ' (again) I swear he's even still wearing the same Chinos. Betrayal (again)...give me strength. I am really trying to look forward to a fitting final instalment for Craig but fear that this wont be it.

So 2021 22 ...dont really care. Of course I'll see it and do my very best to like it but really unenthused. They have run out of ideas. Only upside is that Daniel looks great and there are some nice light touches of humour that suit his style.

I agree with you. Probably many here on the forum don’t. The initial excitement and fervour from the first trailer has now disappeared. I don’t think that can be regenerated now as we have had too much exposure to the storyline and clips of the movie. I think it’s a bad decision. The second wave was expected its only common sense after we’ve been in lockdown But we need to try and get some normality back. The worlds largest manufacturer of vaccines, the Serum Institute of Indian-has said there will not be enough supplies for universal inoculation until 2024 at the earliest.

We don't need universal inoculation, though. If there's vaccinations for health care workers and vulnerable populations, the threat drops significantly.

The virus isn't going anywhere (only one virus has ever been eliminated). Vaccinating even just those populations would do a significant amount to return to normalcy.

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zaphod99 wrote:
Miles Messervy wrote:

So in April when nothing is better will they just stream the bloody film? Or will we spend the next 2 years the way we have spent the last 2: waiting every six months for a premier that is perpetually delayed! ajb007/mad  This is why the years spent waiting for Craig and then chasing flashy directors is so costly. When you fail to control the things you should, you get burned even worse by the things you don’t control.


Just saw the Trailer in the Cinema (TENET) It was truly underwhelming. Grumpy Seydoux (again) Catatonic Waltz (again) 'Where's Bond ' (again) I swear he's even still wearing the same Chinos. Betrayal (again)...give me strength. I am really trying to look forward to a fitting final instalment for Craig but fear that this wont be it.

So 2021 22 ...dont really care. Of course I'll see it and do my very best to like it but really unenthused. They have run out of ideas. Only upside is that Daniel looks great and there are some nice light touches of humour that suit his style.

+1. The absolute worst part about another delay for me is that it delays a new Bond and a new direction for the franchise even further. Perhaps it will be a worse direction than the current one, but the Craig tenure has felt stale since 2015 and none of this is helping.

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"+1. The absolute worst part about another delay for me is that it delays a new Bond and a new direction for the franchise even further. Perhaps it will be a worse direction than the current one, but the Craig tenure has felt stale since 2015 and none of this is helping."

I agree that I'm probably more interested to see the direction for B26 now than in NTTD- but it's important to keep in mind that the general public don't tend to think like this. Cinemagoers will be champing at the bit to see "the new James Bond film", regardless. The five and a half year gap could even help NTTD by increasing hype and affection among the public, similar to the very long break in between LTK and GoldenEye.

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Talking about delays and preparing for the worst scenario. If by April the movie can't be shown in theaters due to the pandemic situation, do you think they'll keep delaying it or will take some measurements like a VOD/Blue-Ray dvd release?

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Mattia De Varti wrote:

Talking about delays and preparing for the worst scenario. If by April the movie can't be shown in theaters due to the pandemic situation, do you think they'll keep delaying it or will take some measurements like a VOD/Blue-Ray dvd release?

HalfMonk HalfHitman wrote:

There's every indication that they are under no financial pressure to just "get it out there." That only serves the core base who are tired of waiting. It's not a viable business plan. It's a $250 million dollar tentpole, not a Blumhouse horror movie made for $15. VOD is a loss, based on current examples.

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I think they‘re that „stubborn“ and keep delaying it.
They constantly paint themselves in a corner with these set release dates, though. Smartest (reputation-wise) move would be to record a video message with the producers explaining they‘re delaying it indefinitely.

Painful obviously, but that way you don’t look like a doofus every 6 months and throw marketing money out the window.

But that should have been done with the second delay, it doesn’t matter anymore now...


On a side note: I‘m also genuinely veeeery interested in seeing where cinemas in general will be going in the forseeable future. NTTD was kinda the savior for this year’s season.

The name is Walker by the way.

IG: @thebondarchives
Check it out, you won’t be disappointed ajb007/smile

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AugustWalker wrote:

that way you don’t look like a doofus every 6 months and throw marketing money out the window.

The TV campaign hadn't started yet and they tapped the brakes before that money was spent.

Eon changing the date "every six months" (so, twice) in the face of COVID makes them the most restrained of the crowd; I'm not gonna google it for you, but Tenet kept kicking the can two weeks down the road. THAT blew up in their faces. Eon recognizing the problem early and moving it six months was optimistic; Tenet flinching every two weeks and trying to force people back into cinemas was irresponsible. I'll take the former.

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Miles Messervy wrote:
zaphod99 wrote:
Miles Messervy wrote:

So in April when nothing is better will they just stream the bloody film? Or will we spend the next 2 years the way we have spent the last 2: waiting every six months for a premier that is perpetually delayed! ajb007/mad  This is why the years spent waiting for Craig and then chasing flashy directors is so costly. When you fail to control the things you should, you get burned even worse by the things you don’t control.


Just saw the Trailer in the Cinema (TENET) It was truly underwhelming. Grumpy Seydoux (again) Catatonic Waltz (again) 'Where's Bond ' (again) I swear he's even still wearing the same Chinos. Betrayal (again)...give me strength. I am really trying to look forward to a fitting final instalment for Craig but fear that this wont be it.

So 2021 22 ...dont really care. Of course I'll see it and do my very best to like it but really unenthused. They have run out of ideas. Only upside is that Daniel looks great and there are some nice light touches of humour that suit his style.

+1. The absolute worst part about another delay for me is that it delays a new Bond and a new direction for the franchise even further. Perhaps it will be a worse direction than the current one, but the Craig tenure has felt stale since 2015 and none of this is helping.

I agree with you, which is why I was really hoping for a tip top final outing. I still am, I really hope that I'm wrong.

Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.

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HalfMonk HalfHitman wrote:
AugustWalker wrote:

that way you don’t look like a doofus every 6 months and throw marketing money out the window.

The TV campaign hadn't started yet and they tapped the brakes before that money was spent.

Eon changing the date "every six months" (so, twice) in the face of COVID makes them the most restrained of the crowd; I'm not gonna google it for you, but Tenet kept kicking the can two weeks down the road. THAT blew up in their faces. Eon recognizing the problem early and moving it six months was optimistic; Tenet flinching every two weeks and trying to force people back into cinemas was irresponsible. I'll take the former.

But my main point still stands: how long they wanna keep doing that? Setting a release date, ramping up the marketing campaign to full swing, release new material and then call it all off ~1.5 months prior.

I‘ve made the argument in late February and now it applies just as much: Who knows where the world will be in..., setting new release dates is purely Russian roulette.

There will be (or might even is already) a point reached, when they got to commit to a date with all consequences or delay it indefinitely.

I‘m not even only saying that for selfish reasons but I‘m genuinely curious as to how the cinema industry will survive this?
TENET was the only big release after lockdown (there weren’t many before) & it tanked like you mentioned.

The name is Walker by the way.

IG: @thebondarchives
Check it out, you won’t be disappointed ajb007/smile

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HalfMonk HalfHitman wrote:
AugustWalker wrote:

that way you don’t look like a doofus every 6 months and throw marketing money out the window.

The TV campaign hadn't started yet and they tapped the brakes before that money was spent.

Eon changing the date "every six months" (so, twice) in the face of COVID makes them the most restrained of the crowd; I'm not gonna google it for you, but Tenet kept kicking the can two weeks down the road. THAT blew up in their faces. Eon recognizing the problem early and moving it six months was optimistic; Tenet flinching every two weeks and trying to force people back into cinemas was irresponsible. I'll take the former.

Especially considering every time Tenet made a shift, it got another round of bad press. Bond isn't getting bad press from this — and press is how most general audience people know a film is coming/is out.

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If EON is forced to delay NTTD a couple of more timesit would be really bad, but I can't help chuckling a bit to myself imagineing hiw creative they would have to get in rebooting the promo machine yet another time  ajb007/lol

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AugustWalker wrote:
HalfMonk HalfHitman wrote:
AugustWalker wrote:

that way you don’t look like a doofus every 6 months and throw marketing money out the window.

The TV campaign hadn't started yet and they tapped the brakes before that money was spent.

Eon changing the date "every six months" (so, twice) in the face of COVID makes them the most restrained of the crowd; I'm not gonna google it for you, but Tenet kept kicking the can two weeks down the road. THAT blew up in their faces. Eon recognizing the problem early and moving it six months was optimistic; Tenet flinching every two weeks and trying to force people back into cinemas was irresponsible. I'll take the former.

But my main point still stands: how long they wanna keep doing that? Setting a release date, ramping up the marketing campaign to full swing, release new material and then call it all off ~1.5 months prior.

I‘ve made the argument in late February and now it applies just as much: Who knows where the world will be in..., setting new release dates is purely Russian roulette.

There will be (or might even is already) a point reached, when they got to commit to a date with all consequences or delay it indefinitely.

I‘m not even only saying that for selfish reasons but I‘m genuinely curious as to how the cinema industry will survive this?
TENET was the only big release after lockdown (there weren’t many before) & it tanked like you mentioned.

The point is, no one cares. This Bond community doesn’t even make up 0.5% of the audience these films get. It’s only us few long term die hard fans that are getting disappointed, and even then, not that many of us considering. There are bigger worries at the moment, our daily lives and routines are gone, people’s jobs are gone or under threat.  Who cares about a Bond film right now?   Not a great many.  I fully expect April to be cancelled too, but they have to book dates just in case it all works out. The backlog of films right now means that these dates will be fought over if not booked. So that’s why they keep on doing this. Cinema slot bookings are public knowledge.

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Yay, it’s back to April again!

"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....

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I know many of us are feeling a bit raw with EON and holding enmity toward them because of their history of long delays between films is understandable and to a point well deserved (especially with NTTD). However, EON/MGM/etc are not doing anything different than the rest of the industry when it comes to these big tentpole films (Mulan and Tenet being the exceptions) relative to the pandemic. IMO, I think there are folks who are so anxious to see NTTD that they would just like to see them put it out VOD but I also think there are some folks around here who want to see it out one way or another because they just want the Craig era to come to an end, not because they want to see NTTD. To each his own, but I just find it an interesting dynamic.