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The good news is, that this will keep Barbel very active in the imaginary conversations thread for very much longer  ajb007/biggrin

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The Bond franchise, for me, is like the Prodigal Son. It can be away for an indefinite amount of time, but I will always welcome it if and when it comes back.

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C O L C O M B E wrote:

The Bond franchise, for me, is like the Prodigal Son. It can be away for an indefinite amount of time, but I will always welcome it if and when it comes back.

To extend your biblical metaphor, we are waiting for it to stop eating pig food and start making its way home!!!

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-Casino Royale, Ian Fleming

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According to BBC News today, Cineworld in the UK are threatening to shut down and directly blaming the non-release of NTTD for damaging their profits.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54407213

Oh dear...

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I saw this too and it’s exactly why I am angry with the decision. Not because “it’s just a movie” (my dad laughed when I said I was annoyed as he said he could not think of anything less relevant) but because I knew the cinemas were relying on this. Fair enough maybe the burden of getting people back to cinemas should not be a burden resting solely on NTTD but it was quite obvious without some kind of injection the cinemas were going to go bust and close. I was fearful that by the time they want to release it there would not even be a cinema to show it. A brave decision would have been to keep the date and that would have snowballed and led to people going back to the cinema and future releases. There is no guarantee that things will be any better and in fact I see people itching to go out not stay indoors anymore. People have lockdown fatigue. BTW ironically China is back to pre pandemic levels in terms of its economy and doing big movie ticket sales with The Eight Hundred. Sorry rant over....partly.

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sunny01 wrote:

I saw this too and it’s exactly why I am angry with the decision. Not because “it’s just a movie” (my dad laughed when I said I was annoyed as he said he could not think of anything less relevant) but because I knew the cinemas were relying on this. Fair enough maybe the burden of getting people back to cinemas should not be a burden resting solely on NTTD but it was quite obvious without some kind of injection the cinemas were going to go bust and close. I was fearful that by the time they want to release it there would not even be a cinema to show it. A brave decision would have been to keep the date and that would have snowballed and led to people going back to the cinema and future releases. There is no guarantee that things will be any better and in fact I see people itching to go out not stay indoors anymore. People have lockdown fatigue. BTW ironically China is back to pre pandemic levels in terms of its economy and doing big movie ticket sales with The Eight Hundred. Sorry rant over....partly.

China can do that because they took this seriously and did not have people ignoring the virus/flaunting safety protocols.

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BlindManBaldwin wrote:
sunny01 wrote:

I saw this too and it’s exactly why I am angry with the decision. Not because “it’s just a movie” (my dad laughed when I said I was annoyed as he said he could not think of anything less relevant) but because I knew the cinemas were relying on this. Fair enough maybe the burden of getting people back to cinemas should not be a burden resting solely on NTTD but it was quite obvious without some kind of injection the cinemas were going to go bust and close. I was fearful that by the time they want to release it there would not even be a cinema to show it. A brave decision would have been to keep the date and that would have snowballed and led to people going back to the cinema and future releases. There is no guarantee that things will be any better and in fact I see people itching to go out not stay indoors anymore. People have lockdown fatigue. BTW ironically China is back to pre pandemic levels in terms of its economy and doing big movie ticket sales with The Eight Hundred. Sorry rant over....partly.

China can do that because they took this seriously and did not have people ignoring the virus/flaunting safety protocols.

Not entirely true. At first they tried to surpress the reports of the pandemic and not the pandemic itself. Some of the dctors who reported Covid-19 first were told to shut up or go to jail. Later the Chinese govermnemt understood how serious the situation was and pit in place restrictions, many of them would be much harder to implement in a demcracy with human rights.

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I'm starting to think that by the time the film is released a new 007 will have been cast and Bond 26 will be ready to come out. . .

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I hope the next Bond actor is secretly cast and much of the script done by the time of NTTD's released.

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Number24 wrote:

I hope the next Bond actor is secretly cast and much of the script done by the time of NTTD's released.

Wishful thinking  ajb007/lol

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I know. Or at least it's highly unlikely.  ajb007/crap

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Number24 wrote:

I hope the next Bond actor is secretly cast and much of the script done by the time of NTTD's released.

EON has never been that proactive. I've always wondered why they don't get started on the script of the next film, at least in outline form, while production/post production is going on. That way they'd have a finished script ready within a year for the next film.

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I stand by my earlier position that the decision to postpone NTTD is both understandable and welcome, but at the same time my heart goes out to all those folk at Cineworld who are now going to be out of a job because the studios are holding back and the audiences aren't returning. It's sad what's happening to the industry, as to so many other sectors.

As for Bond post-Craig... I'm not sure that anyone in entertainment has properly worked out what kind of new stories we'll *want* to be told during/ after Covid, even in popular/ escapist genres.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEAS1zYvxIk

At this point it is an industry thing not a Bond thing.

I assume come December everyone will be blaming Dune for the death of cinema.

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Shady Tree wrote:

I stand by my earlier position that the decision to postpone NTTD is both understandable and welcome, but at the same time my heart goes out to all those folk at Cineworld who are now going to be out of a job because the studios are holding back and the audiences aren't returning. It's sad what's happening to the industry, as to so many other sectors.

As for Bond post-Craig... I'm not sure that anyone in entertainment has properly worked out what kind of new stories we'll *want* to be told during/ after Covid, even in popular/ escapist genres.

The parent company of Cineworld also owns Regal Cinema in the US. Regal may also temporarily close.

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Torn on this. Disappointing, to be sure, but I was seriously considering NOT going to the cinema and waiting for a re-release further down the line / home media release. The other side being, would appreciate the merchandising machine launching for the Christmas season, which I would have deeply gone into. Oh well, time to save up some more money for April...

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https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/o … ime-to-die


This is becoming absolute horse manure now.

Bond has nothing to do with people being scared to go to the cinema at the moment and they indisputably are - *insert exciting discussion about data bias demonstrated by the Guardian interviewing people at cinemas* . Hardly surprising given 15,000 covid cases were 'discovered down the back of the sofa' over the weekend in the UK and plans were leaked detailing criteria for all leisure industry venues being shut. Criteria many places, London included, are hurtling towards. 

I would happily take a bet with Mr Bradshaw, Kermode and others - with winnings to charity - that come Nov 12th we're in lockdown circumstances that render all this rending of garments moot and would have seen NTTD forcibly suspended in the UK at least. (and I would hope to be wrong and a glad loser but I can read the weather as it stands now...)

Tenet did not fill cinemas to the capped capacity. No one seems to be screaming Marvel have killed cinema as they pulled the plug on numerous tentpoll franchise films. EON/Bond held their nerve longer than most which is why they're left in the firing line.

Also, as an employer in the UK, I know why they are doing it, but given furlough and JRS Government support there is a long conversation about reality of necessity for scale redundancies at the moment.

Happy James Bond Day!  ajb007/biggrin

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Royale-les-Eaux wrote:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/o … ime-to-die


This is becoming absolute horse manure now.

Bond has nothing to do with people being scared to go to the cinema at the moment and they indisputably are - *insert exciting discussion about data bias demonstrated by the Guardian interviewing people at cinemas* . Hardly surprising given 15,000 covid cases were 'discovered down the back of the sofa' over the weekend in the UK and plans were leaked detailing criteria for all leisure industry venues being shut. Criteria many places, London included, are hurtling towards. 

I would happily take a bet with Mr Bradshaw, Kermode and others - with winnings to charity - that come Nov 12th we're in lockdown circumstances that render all this rending of garments moot and would have seen NTTD forcibly suspended in the UK at least. (and I would hope to be wrong and a glad loser but I can read the weather as it stands now...)

Tenet did not fill cinemas to the capped capacity. No one seems to be screaming Marvel have killed cinema as they pulled the plug on numerous tentpoll franchise films. EON/Bond held their nerve longer than most which is why they're left in the firing line.

Also, as an employer in the UK, I know why they are doing it, but given furlough and JRS Government support there is a long conversation about reality of necessity for scale redundancies at the moment.

Happy James Bond Day!  ajb007/biggrin

The tabs never seem to miss an opportunity to slag Bond. It's just scapegoating. Anyone with half a brain should be able to understand that the issue is the pandemic. It's no coincidence that case numbers are rising with the re-opening of indoor dining, bars, etc. I understand the tragic financial implications of the theaters being shut down or having no product but there are serious health implications. I think in some ways, the movie theater business is falling into a perverted version of "me too" seeing that the restaurants and bars are now doing business so why not us....we are safer. However, with streaming, cable and VOD along with the growing affordability of large screen, hi def TVs it is much easier for people to make a decision not to gamble with their health and go to a theater. Personally, I miss the experience of seeing films in a nice theater and still would much prefer to see NTTD in an IMAX theater but not until it's really safe (and that is also my personal approach to returning to eating in restaurants, etc).

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AugustWalker wrote:

I simply cannot second all if the „right move/ smart decision“-commentaries over on Instagram.

This is getting ridiculous, we‘ve got the 5th release date/ 4th postponement for this movie now.
EON is trying to sit things out, casually postponing the thing ever so close to the actual release.

Member Miles Messervy has said it quite correctly:
They waste to much time in between the movies, this time it was waiting forever and a day for DC to make his mind up and then the debacle with the directors.

Truth is: nobody knows where the world will be going in the forseeable future let alone April next year so it’s bloody optimistic of them to postpone it to then.

Pretty sure the average movie-goer/ casual Bond-fan will loose interest at a certain point.

They should really face the facts and come to terms with alternate ways of distribution!
smfh

Agreed 1000%. They've single handedly killed the reopening cinemas in the US by postponing again.  If they keep this up, there simply won't be a cinema experience at all. It would be much smarter imo to do VoD followed by a "cinematic experience" WHEN POSSIBLE.. rather than throwing around stupid dates based on nothing at all but their hopes and dreams.  This is all BEYOND ridiculous, and has been since the last delay.

People want and will pay for streaming.. Disney has been killing it with Mulan at $30.

https://deadline.com/2020/10/cobra-kai- … 234589415/

Rather than cheering on the ridiculous cycle, we should all be petitioning EON to truly "do the right thing" and release the film.

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My mind is still torn on this.
On one hand I appreciate they’re in this purely to make money, on the other hand I’m thinking about how much money do they need to make at a time like this?

Not releasing NTTD has all but killed UK (and probably us cinema). That’s a massive industry with 1000s of jobs.
All because MGM want to ensure they make an extra 100 million at the box office? I appreciate 100Million is a lot of money but it’s 100Million in profit to MGM vs 1000s of jobs and an entire industry.
It’s 100Million that, with some creative marketing, could be made up on the other end with VOD, Blue Ray, 4/8k releases, a directors cut, double bills...You name it.

As I say I’ve not made my mind up but I think at the heart of this is just greed.

Would there be calls for an extended Cinema run? Less people in theatres but spread over a period of time?

I really feel for all the people who stand to lose their jobs here.

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km1fdm wrote:

Disney has been killing it with Mulan at $30.

How much did they make? The link you provided, like Disney itself, offered no concrete revenue numbers.

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Jflynn2112 wrote:

Not releasing NTTD has all but killed UK (and probably us cinema).

Lets remember it's the pandemic, and not Bond that will have caused this. There is a good chance by release we may be faced with further restrictions, local, or even full lockdowns, in many places. I honestly think they have made the right call.... I don't think at this knife-edge point in time we should be encouraging any form of social gathering. We certainly would not be going, and most people I know feel the same, and are avoiding any possible risk. I'm not prepared to put my, or my families life at risk for a bloody film, no matter how much I want to see it.... and I really want to see it.

Maybe they should have considered VOD... I can't see things being better by April, though I desperately hope they are. If it's just about money I think they would get a great return on a digital distribution, and maybe encourage people to see it at a later date at a theatre. I would certainly pay to see it again in a cinema, when it is safe to do so.

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I'm stating the obvious but a lot of this finger-pointing feels like it's fueled by pure selfishness. We're using Bond to bemoan the "death of cinemas"? FOH. People are grouchy that they can't have the thing they want NOW NOW NOW.

Movie theaters should've taken note that no one showed up for Tenet and prepared accordingly. They didn't and that's fine - this situation is unprecedented - but watching Tenet's performance and then pinning all their hopes on Bond was kind of stupid.

Also, don't tell me these corporations won't find the funds to immediately re-open when it's safe to do so. They want to blame someone else for their layoffs.

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One look at this forum, full of people who live and breathe James Bond, and seeing how many are saying they won't see it in a theater, you'd have to be a dummy to put the film out in such a climate.

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It’s a bit “chicken and egg”. People won’t go to the cinema if there’s nothing to see.

Tenet isn’t ever likely to compete with James Bond. For a start it was rubbish, complex and didn’t have the broad appeal.

Anyway the decision is so the whole discussion is moot and frustrating but I can’t help wonder if there was a solution that would’ve worked for all parties.