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https://people.com/movies/gemma-arterto … girl-role/

https://www.thewrap.com/gemma-arterton- … of-solace/

Apparently DC refuses to call them 'Bond Girls' anymore either.

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I can’t imagine being upset by that article.

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If all or most roles in movies for actresses were like that it would have been a problem, but I don't think the typical Bond girl personal (If there is such a thing) is a problem if it's one of a range of choice for actresses.

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I am fine with what she said in the article. Though I don't share all the same sentiments. I can certainly concur with her assessment of regretting a decision made at 21 now that I am older. I think we can all agree that she continued to get jobs post QoS so what she did in the movie wasn't that bad. Anyhow, I think she did a serviceable job of moving the story forward considering the story was being pieced together as they went due to the writer's strike.

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JTullock23 wrote:

I am fine with what she said in the article. Though I don't share all the same sentiments. I can certainly concur with her assessment of regretting a decision made at 21 now that I am older. I think we can all agree that she continued to get jobs post QoS so what she did in the movie wasn't that bad. Anyhow, I think she did a serviceable job of moving the story forward considering the story was being pieced together as they went due to the writer's strike.

I'm not sure that she says she regrets it as such (it paid her loan and raised her profile, as she says), it's just that it's a role she wouldn't take on now because there's nothing to it, and she's right. Fields doesn't even get a forename, it's a pretty thankless role. I think she's pretty sparky in it and makes a good impression though.

Number24 wrote:

If all or most roles in movies for actresses were like that it would have been a problem, but I don't think the typical Bond girl personal (If there is such a thing) is a problem if it's one of a range of choice for actresses.

I think a lot of them are like that, that's the problem.

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She's not saying anything unusual. I probably agree with her. At the time a reasonable career move. Now, not a choice she would make so lightly. I made a couple of dodgy career moves in my 20s which, given experience, I probably wouldn't do now either. It isn't really news or a scandal or even gossip.

DC and 'Bond girls'? Don't care what he calls them - hopefully by their first name.

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chrisno1 wrote:

DC and 'Bond girls'? Don't care what he calls them - hopefully by their first name.

Yeah I found that very understandable: if you're trying to help create some characters referring to them with a dismissive term like that isn't really very constructive.
If anyone making the film was calling M 'the old white guy' then I'd be worried about how they're treating his character.

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Presumably there was a scene in QoS in which her full name was given. Does anyone know why that was cut? As Bond names go, I think Strawberry Fields is cuter than most and even semi plausible(!). And it's not like the movie was chockfull of humorous moments.

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emtiem wrote:
JTullock23 wrote:

I am fine with what she said in the article. Though I don't share all the same sentiments. I can certainly concur with her assessment of regretting a decision made at 21 now that I am older. I think we can all agree that she continued to get jobs post QoS so what she did in the movie wasn't that bad. Anyhow, I think she did a serviceable job of moving the story forward considering the story was being pieced together as they went due to the writer's strike.

I'm not sure that she says she regrets it as such (it paid her loan and raised her profile, as she says), it's just that it's a role she wouldn't take on now because there's nothing to it, and she's right. Fields doesn't even get a forename, it's a pretty thankless role. I think she's pretty sparky in it and makes a good impression though.

Number24 wrote:

If all or most roles in movies for actresses were like that it would have been a problem, but I don't think the typical Bond girl personal (If there is such a thing) is a problem if it's one of a range of choice for actresses.

I think a lot of them are like that, that's the problem.

Yes, many are. But I hope more of the more complex characters with some impact on the plot are getting more common.

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Number24 wrote:
emtiem wrote:
JTullock23 wrote:

I am fine with what she said in the article. Though I don't share all the same sentiments. I can certainly concur with her assessment of regretting a decision made at 21 now that I am older. I think we can all agree that she continued to get jobs post QoS so what she did in the movie wasn't that bad. Anyhow, I think she did a serviceable job of moving the story forward considering the story was being pieced together as they went due to the writer's strike.

I'm not sure that she says she regrets it as such (it paid her loan and raised her profile, as she says), it's just that it's a role she wouldn't take on now because there's nothing to it, and she's right. Fields doesn't even get a forename, it's a pretty thankless role. I think she's pretty sparky in it and makes a good impression though.

Number24 wrote:

If all or most roles in movies for actresses were like that it would have been a problem, but I don't think the typical Bond girl personal (If there is such a thing) is a problem if it's one of a range of choice for actresses.

I think a lot of them are like that, that's the problem.

Yes, many are. But I hope more of the more complex characters with some impact on the plot are getting more common.

Yes, let's hope so. NTTD does sound like it might be a bit of a step forward in that regard.

Cheverian wrote:

Presumably there was a scene in QoS in which her full name was given. Does anyone know why that was cut? As Bond names go, I think Strawberry Fields is cuter than most and even semi plausible(!). And it's not like the movie was chockfull of humorous moments.

I get the feeling that the script was in such a mess that was probably changing all the time that it's one of the things that just fell by the wayside.

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emtiem wrote:

I can’t imagine being upset by that article.

“There’s so much wrong with Bond women?” There appears to be some sidestepping here of that broad-brushed sentiment along with the fact that Arterton felt the need to cave to woke criticism for assuming the role to begin with.

Me upset? Not so much. More like exhausted by the continued long-after-the-fact virtue signaling by some in the entertainment industry. Any actor not living under a rock knows what to expect from a Bond Girl role. It’s not exactly Shakespeare, you will play second (or third) fiddle, and you will likely be exposed to sexism at some point.

Millions of Bond fans loved Arterton’s character. I mean, she essentially became the new Jill Masterson. Since she’s in the business of entertaining she should consider that a win. Most Bond actresses seem to be thankful to be a permanent part of Bond lore and embrace it for what it was.

Last edited by Cajun (31st Dec 2020 04:26)

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I wonder if she's as proud of Tamara Drewe, which was mainly sold ( By the trailer at least )
by her arse in very, very short denim shorts  ajb007/embarrassed   or the St Tinian's films  all very strong
empowering roles for women.  ajb007/biggrin

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ajb007/biggrin  Thunderpussy nails it!

Still, fairly awful role in an awful film. Not her fault. Hated the way Bond 'redeems' her death by recommending her for some posthumous award like that's alright then! When he helped needlessly bring about her death anyway, all he had to do was go home with her!  Which he didn't do. Then artlessly chats her up with his 'Where's the stationary?' line. Crap.

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Napoleon Plural wrote:

ajb007/biggrin  Thunderpussy nails it!

Still, fairly awful role in an awful film. Not her fault. Hated the way Bond 'redeems' her death by recommending her for some posthumous award like that's alright then! When he helped needlessly bring about her death anyway, all he had to do was go home with her!  Which he didn't do. Then artlessly chats her up with his 'Where's the stationary?' line. Crap.

What can I say; I liked the film and her crude oil-soaked ass in it. ajb007/biggrin

I also liked the stationery line because it was about as tactful as something I'd come up with. ajb007/shifty

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There was a time when a women said i was a Bond girl was seen as a proud calling card  and right so in my eyes

i dont need to say what being a bond girl portrays in the eyes of most

this whole woke diversity scamshambels is getting out of hand and the majority of normal volk dont care for it
i would say its done more damge to films and tv series than good

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Cajun wrote:
emtiem wrote:

I can’t imagine being upset by that article.

“There’s so much wrong with Bond women?” There appears to be some sidestepping here of that broad-brushed sentiment along with the fact that Arterton felt the need to cave to woke criticism for assuming the role to begin with.

Me upset? Not so much. More like exhausted by the continued long-after-the-fact virtue signaling by some in the entertainment industry. Any actor not living under a rock knows what to expect from a Bond Girl role. It’s not exactly Shakespeare, you will play second (or third) fiddle, and you will likely be exposed to sexism at some point.

I think if your defence is ‘you should know that Bond women roles are bad’ then you’re actually agreeing with the original sentiment that “there’s so much wrong with Bond women”. So I’m not sure what the issue is.

It’s a bit snowflakey to be so troubled by this: somebody talking about the problems which you’re acknowledging exist won’t cause your world to fall in. The roles for women in Bond films haven’t been good enough, hopefully that’s changing.

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Thunderpussy wrote:

I wonder if she's as proud of Tamara Drewe, which was mainly sold ( By the trailer at least )
by her arse in very, very short denim shorts  ajb007/embarrassed   or the St Tinian's films  all very strong
empowering roles for women.  ajb007/biggrin

She did those around the same time (Trinians before), so presumably the same applies regarding her needing the cash. If you actually read the article she’s just saying she wouldn’t do those sort of things now.
Are you unhappy that she’s said she prefers to only do more realistic roles? It seems like you want to prove her wrong in some way.

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I'm just tired of minor actors using
Woke culture to massage their own
Egos. No one put a gun to her head
To play any of these roles.
She was paid, signed a contract etc.
If she wanted serious  roles she could
Have struggled  on and not sold out, but
She wanted the money.
She wants to be taken as a serious actor  so is trying  to distance herself from her early roles. Just the same as some singers go on about regretting  their early commercial records.

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In what way is she massaging her ego? I don’t follow your thinking here.

Yes, she is saying she wouldn’t do those roles again today: that is really quite literally what she’s saying. I can’t see a problem with that. Would you do the jobs you did in your early 20s now? You could have struggled on and not worked in a shop or delivered papers or whatever it is you did and held out for the career you have now: did you?

Why is an actor thinking that women should have movie roles as well-rounded as those men have defined as ‘woke’? What makes you see that as a bad thing? You feel you have to describe her as a ‘minor actor’ despite knowing quite a few of her films, which indicates this has risen some animosity in you towards her.

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emtiem, you're obviously a fan of hers, So Ill leave the discussion but as it's a Bond forum,
for Bond fans. I don't think it's too unbelievable to find a fan defending the Bond films. ajb007/wink

Still Happy New Year to you  ajb007/cheers

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Thunderpussy wrote:

emtiem, you're obviously a fan of hers, So Ill leave the discussion but as it's a Bond forum,
for Bond fans. I don't think it's too unbelievable to find a fan defending the Bond films. ajb007/wink

Still Happy New Year to you  ajb007/cheers

I can defend the Bond films too but I can also see their flaws, I don’t think they’re perfect and I feel secure enough not to feel the need to personally attack those who observe them. Whenever anybody (well, any white man) uses the word ‘woke’ in a serious manner I always see it as a very insecure thing.
I’m not a fan of hers; you’ve shown you know more of her films than I do. Still, as you can’t actually defend your accusations by answering my questions I’ll wish you a Happy New Year too.

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Once again Have a great New Year  ajb007/cheers

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I'm a fan. She's been in some really good films like "The girl with all the gifts".

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Sorry yes, when I say I'm not a fan that doesn't mean I don't like her ajb007/smile She's been good in the things I've seen her in, I just haven't followed her work.
As I say above, I think she manages to sparkle as Fields in QoS, even though it's a pretty thankless role.

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I don't have any issue with equality, empowerment, or diversity, but I do think her attitude is a little disappointing.

Would I accept the same jobs now that I did in my 20s? No. But am I glad that I took them back then, as they helped as a springboard to my career? Yes. I'd like to think I'd show more gratitude to my early employers for giving me a chance than Gemma Arteton does by undermining her role in QoS.

" She added, "But as I got older I realized there was so much wrong with Bond women." "

Bit of a sweeping generalisation I'd say. Does this include Dame Judi Dench, for instance? Certainly Olga Kurylenko's part is more fully fleshed out, but Fields is a smaller, supporting role. Should everyone who's played a henchman complain that there's so much wrong with the way these parts are written, when they are beaten by Bond?

Ultimately, I'd argue it certainly helped her career to have appeared in a Bond film, and a little more graciousness wouldn't go amiss.

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