Bourne is exactly what came to mind the first time I watched Quantum of Solace and its ridiculously quick edits. I prefer when it is longer edits because then you can tell they are really doing the stunts or fights, when it is so quick, it just makes me think they are only shooting one or two moves at a time and then editing it together so that shooting it is easy. I prefer long, complex scenes.
Sir MilesThe Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,749Chief of Staff
Bourne is exactly what came to mind the first time I watched Quantum of Solace and its ridiculously quick edits. I prefer when it is longer edits because then you can tell they are really doing the stunts or fights, when it is so quick, it just makes me think they are only shooting one or two moves at a time and then editing it together so that shooting it is easy. I prefer long, complex scenes.
Whilst I kind of agree...the "quick cuts" technique is nothing new to Bond...Peter Hunt was pioneering this as far back as Dr No....check a few of the fight scenes from OHMSS for further proof...I like this style of editing for the hand-to-hand fight scenes...for me, it really shows you how fast and brutal these fights can be...
Bourne stole the editing and "quick cuts" from the Bond films...then EON stole them back, over used them and ended up looking like unoriginal hacks. With Sam Medes directing and Roger Deakens as the DP I would doubt that is going to happen again.
Bourne is exactly what came to mind the first time I watched Quantum of Solace and its ridiculously quick edits. I prefer when it is longer edits because then you can tell they are really doing the stunts or fights, when it is so quick, it just makes me think they are only shooting one or two moves at a time and then editing it together so that shooting it is easy. I prefer long, complex scenes.
Whilst I kind of agree...the "quick cuts" technique is nothing new to Bond...Peter Hunt was pioneering this as far back as Dr No....check a few of the fight scenes from OHMSS for further proof...I like this style of editing for the hand-to-hand fight scenes...for me, it really shows you how fast and brutal these fights can be...
Again it's a question of balance Grasshoper...the occasional 'pull-back' contextualises the fast cuts and let's us see what's going on, while the fast and close approach gives us a visceral feel.
Sir MilesThe Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,749Chief of Staff
Bourne is exactly what came to mind the first time I watched Quantum of Solace and its ridiculously quick edits. I prefer when it is longer edits because then you can tell they are really doing the stunts or fights, when it is so quick, it just makes me think they are only shooting one or two moves at a time and then editing it together so that shooting it is easy. I prefer long, complex scenes.
Whilst I kind of agree...the "quick cuts" technique is nothing new to Bond...Peter Hunt was pioneering this as far back as Dr No....check a few of the fight scenes from OHMSS for further proof...I like this style of editing for the hand-to-hand fight scenes...for me, it really shows you how fast and brutal these fights can be...
Again it's a question of balance Grasshoper...the occasional 'pull-back' contextualises the fast cuts and let's us see what's going on, while the fast and close approach gives us a visceral feel.
I agree...and I managed to follow the fights very easily
Whilst I kind of agree...the "quick cuts" technique is nothing new to Bond...Peter Hunt was pioneering this as far back as Dr No....check a few of the fight scenes from OHMSS for further proof...I like this style of editing for the hand-to-hand fight scenes...for me, it really shows you how fast and brutal these fights can be...
Again it's a question of balance Grasshoper...the occasional 'pull-back' contextualises the fast cuts and let's us see what's going on, while the fast and close approach gives us a visceral feel.
I agree...and I managed to follow the fights very easily
They are easier to follow in QoS than in Bourne, but I think there was too many quick edits. It is unimpressive to me when it is so pieced together by the editing so much. I was waaay more impressed by Bond and the stairwell fight.
But then again, I find CR to be more impressive too.
Sir MilesThe Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,749Chief of Staff
Again it's a question of balance Grasshoper...the occasional 'pull-back' contextualises the fast cuts and let's us see what's going on, while the fast and close approach gives us a visceral feel.
I agree...and I managed to follow the fights very easily
They are easier to follow in QoS than in Bourne, but I think there was too many quick edits. It is unimpressive to me when it is so pieced together by the editing so much. I was waaay more impressed by Bond and the stairwell fight.
But then again, I find CR to be more impressive too.
Which fights in QoS did you struggle with ? The quick editing is fine for me....and the stairwell fight in CR is great...especially the long version...
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I think he once said that he will keep making Bond Movies, for as long as Eon want him... and he can without falling apart.
I think he really overdid it in QoS - and he admits that too... so it will be interesting to see how 'physical' he will be in the next one.
I reckon at least one more after this... and hopefully another.... but I guess time will tell. :007)
The Craig era is to me, what the Moore era was to Loeffs and others. I can't wait for it to be over. He is SO not James Bond.
It can be difficult when you feel a little left out that way...I've been lucky in so far that I've always managed to enjoy the tenure of whichever actor that has been playing Bond at the time....some I prefer more than others...I thought Brosnan did a great job - just his scripts were lousy....DC has been fantastic in his two films so far....and I can't wait for the third from him...and hopefully a couple more after that...
Sorry you feel that way Barry - maybe I will feel how you do now when you get the actor you prefer... -{
Perfectly fair, Barry...and agreed, Sir Miles. Every Bond fan gets something he likes eventually. Sometimes we just have to wait a bit.
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I for one am thoroughly enjoying Craig's take on the character. Very strong and masculine presence akin to the grandmaster himself, Connery.
I too enjoyed Pierce's reign, was introduced to Bond in '95. Didn't think I would see a superior take but Craig definetely surpasses him. Pierce can come off as boyish and there's too much twinkle in his eye compared to Craig.
That being said, Craig has not completely convinced me when he dons the tux. Connery NAILED the part, both ends of the spectrum (violent and refined) to a tee.
However, this could have been done purposely, since Craig is early Bond learning the ropes after all.
I think Craig has set a new standard, it will be dificult to follow up in my opinion.
I haven't been a James Bond fan all my life, not yet... :P My fascination with James Bond started with Brosnan's Bond in The World Is Not Enough. Long story short, I think Craig did a great job bring James Bond to a new era, I would love to see more of Craig's Bond.
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It all depends on how well Bond 23 does in the movie theaters and how good a Director Sam Mendes is to this movie if Daniel Craig will be asked to return for a Bond movie in 2014.
The fact is, Daniel Craig, is the only one they have to portray James Bond at this time. Finding a new actor to be Bond for the first time is always a box office gamble. People have money invested.
That didn't stop them from casting Dalton or Craig.
DC will not make any more films after 23. He looks like an old man now (well, he did already when he was still playing the walking-through-the-wall rookie Bond in CR), he himself said they should find someone "younger and better". Shouldn't be too hard.
I reckon he will do at least one more after Bond 23
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I like the fact that Daniel Craig has made James Bond more physically stronger, a runner, a chaser. I guess we can thank Martin Campbell for that. However, I still miss the middle-aged James Bond that wears a tuxedo and knows how to charm the ladies. Craig's Bond has been arrogant.
Between you and me, I am ready for a new actor to play James Bond.
This James Bond era is missing alot of tradition. There was nothing wrong with the way the older movies were made.
I finally got used to Daniel Craig and have watched Casino Royale several times. It's the quick action and adventure of it all.
Finding another actor to replace Daniel Craig might be a tough one. Craig even does some of his own stunts.
Oh, the days when you could take a few running steps and then let the stuntman do the rest of the action. Those were the days.
The other actors who could have fit the James Bond role nicely, such as Clive Owen, are now getting older. So their time to have played Bond is over. Chances are the next actor to play James Bond will be younger.
I do enjoy the fact that Roger Moore was 57 when he finished his last Bond film, A View to a Kill (1985).
I don't see anything wrong at all for a man in his 50's to continue playing James Bond. In fact, I think it's perfect.
I am glad they let Roger Moore star in seven James Bond movies.
Many people wanted to see Clive Owen in the role, but he now says he was never a contender.
I hope I can live for 30 more years just to see how the James Bond movie series will continue to delight and entertain.
Will James Bond continue to survive after Michael G. Wilson and Barbara Broccoli have put their 007 pen down for the last time?
Sorry james362001, but I disagree... James Bond needed a reboot, audiences expect that. If you keep doing Bond the same way over and over, ticket sales will drop dramatically. Bond has been caught up with by other action movies and needs to tag on in order to survive.
As for Roger Moore: AVTAK was slightly embarassing... An old, wrinkled man playing a sexy secret agent, seducing much younger ladies... 8-)
Once Michael Wilson and Barbara Broccoli decide to step down, maybe Bond should come to an end ?
I agree with most of what you said, especially about AVTAK. But I think there could still be plenty of life left in 007 even after Wilson and Broccoli step down. It all depends on who picks up the mantle, what fresh ideas they bring to the table, who the successor to Craig turns out to be, etc. After all, who would have thought that the change in tone and the casting of Craig would have led to such a smashing success? (At least by most accounts, including mine) So I remain optimistic that James Bond will be around as a cinematic hero for many years to come.
Sorry james362001, but I disagree... James Bond needed a reboot, audiences expect that. If you keep doing Bond the same way over and over, ticket sales will drop dramatically. Bond has been caught up with by other action movies and needs to tag on in order to survive.
As for Roger Moore: AVTAK was slightly embarassing... An old, wrinkled man playing a sexy secret agent, seducing much younger ladies... 8-)
Once Michael Wilson and Barbara Broccoli decide to step down, maybe Bond should come to an end ?
Sorry james362001, but I disagree... James Bond needed a reboot, audiences expect that. If you keep doing Bond the same way over and over, ticket sales will drop dramatically. Bond has been caught up with by other action movies and needs to tag on in order to survive.
As for Roger Moore: AVTAK was slightly embarassing... An old, wrinkled man playing a sexy secret agent, seducing much younger ladies... 8-)
Once Michael Wilson and Barbara Broccoli decide to step down, maybe Bond should come to an end ?
I'm looking forward to the post Wilson & Broccoli tenure. Babs in particular seems to have too much influence and together they have had a strangle hold on Bond for too long. I would love to see from fresh thinking after 23.
Sorry james362001, but I disagree... James Bond needed a reboot, audiences expect that. If you keep doing Bond the same way over and over, ticket sales will drop dramatically. Bond has been caught up with by other action movies and needs to tag on in order to survive.
As for Roger Moore: AVTAK was slightly embarassing... An old, wrinkled man playing a sexy secret agent, seducing much younger ladies... 8-)
Once Michael Wilson and Barbara Broccoli decide to step down, maybe Bond should come to an end ?
I'm looking forward to the post Wilson & Broccoli tenure. Babs in particular seems to have too much influence and together they have had a strangle hold on Bond for too long. I would love to see from fresh thinking after 23.
As much as i like craigs two movie's. Not sure where you can go with craig's bond. He nails the physicallity and brutality of bond, though misses by a mile with regards to charm. Though it will inevitably come down to box office, skyfall could be a turkey and craig could be picking up his walther P45.
As much as i like craigs two movie's. Not sure where you can go with craig's bond. He nails the physicallity and brutality of bond, though misses by a mile with regards to charm. Though it will inevitably come down to box office, skyfall could be a turkey and craig could be picking up his walther P45.
I like Craig but it'd be nice to give him more humour, like the old Bond movies. We need a guy, like in Goldeneye, who says : «Hey James, you do any gardening?»
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Like I've said in a previously closed thread, I'll be pretty happy if this is the case. He's definately in my top 3 Bonds and as long as the style of his next 5 films are more in keeping with the classic Bond films I'll be very happy!
ics what was the point of that rather daft picture?
I dont get it with the Craig bashing. Connery was how old when he filmed DAF and Moore was 46 when he STARTED. Lets just lay off Craig until we've all seen Skyfall or at least until a main trailer has been released.
ics what was the point of that rather daft picture?
I dont get it with the Craig bashing. Connery was how old when he filmed DAF and Moore was 46 when he STARTED. Lets just lay off Craig until we've all seen Skyfall or at least until a main trailer has been released.
Here Here! - Totally agree with you Sir!
At least Craig looks like someone that could do some serious damage to someone, Unlike Sir Rog, who lets face it was as menacing as cold custard.
Nothing to do with bashing – only trying to make a point that Bond should be in his late 30 – start 40…. I do remember an interview with Dalton explaining why he didn’t wanted to do OHMSS… and if you look at AVTAK – look at RM !!!
If DC is 54 in Bond28 as indicated by Mi6 (http://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond_23_dec18_wilson_on_craig.php3?t=&s=&id=03036) – I simply think he is to old…. This is just an attempt to say RELAX we don’t know what is going to happen…
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Whilst I kind of agree...the "quick cuts" technique is nothing new to Bond...Peter Hunt was pioneering this as far back as Dr No....check a few of the fight scenes from OHMSS for further proof...I like this style of editing for the hand-to-hand fight scenes...for me, it really shows you how fast and brutal these fights can be...
Again it's a question of balance Grasshoper...the occasional 'pull-back' contextualises the fast cuts and let's us see what's going on, while the fast and close approach gives us a visceral feel.
I agree...and I managed to follow the fights very easily
They are easier to follow in QoS than in Bourne, but I think there was too many quick edits. It is unimpressive to me when it is so pieced together by the editing so much. I was waaay more impressed by Bond and the stairwell fight.
But then again, I find CR to be more impressive too.
Which fights in QoS did you struggle with ? The quick editing is fine for me....and the stairwell fight in CR is great...especially the long version...
Perfectly fair, Barry...and agreed, Sir Miles. Every Bond fan gets something he likes eventually. Sometimes we just have to wait a bit.
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Very interesting opinions here.
I for one am thoroughly enjoying Craig's take on the character. Very strong and masculine presence akin to the grandmaster himself, Connery.
I too enjoyed Pierce's reign, was introduced to Bond in '95. Didn't think I would see a superior take but Craig definetely surpasses him. Pierce can come off as boyish and there's too much twinkle in his eye compared to Craig.
That being said, Craig has not completely convinced me when he dons the tux. Connery NAILED the part, both ends of the spectrum (violent and refined) to a tee.
However, this could have been done purposely, since Craig is early Bond learning the ropes after all.
I think Craig has set a new standard, it will be dificult to follow up in my opinion.
The fact is, Daniel Craig, is the only one they have to portray James Bond at this time. Finding a new actor to be Bond for the first time is always a box office gamble. People have money invested.
That didn't stop them from casting Dalton or Craig.
DC will not make any more films after 23. He looks like an old man now (well, he did already when he was still playing the walking-through-the-wall rookie Bond in CR), he himself said they should find someone "younger and better". Shouldn't be too hard.
Between you and me, I am ready for a new actor to play James Bond.
This James Bond era is missing alot of tradition. There was nothing wrong with the way the older movies were made.
I finally got used to Daniel Craig and have watched Casino Royale several times. It's the quick action and adventure of it all.
Finding another actor to replace Daniel Craig might be a tough one. Craig even does some of his own stunts.
Oh, the days when you could take a few running steps and then let the stuntman do the rest of the action. Those were the days.
The other actors who could have fit the James Bond role nicely, such as Clive Owen, are now getting older. So their time to have played Bond is over. Chances are the next actor to play James Bond will be younger.
I do enjoy the fact that Roger Moore was 57 when he finished his last Bond film, A View to a Kill (1985).
I don't see anything wrong at all for a man in his 50's to continue playing James Bond. In fact, I think it's perfect.
I am glad they let Roger Moore star in seven James Bond movies.
Many people wanted to see Clive Owen in the role, but he now says he was never a contender.
I hope I can live for 30 more years just to see how the James Bond movie series will continue to delight and entertain.
Will James Bond continue to survive after Michael G. Wilson and Barbara Broccoli have put their 007 pen down for the last time?
As for Roger Moore: AVTAK was slightly embarassing... An old, wrinkled man playing a sexy secret agent, seducing much younger ladies... 8-)
Once Michael Wilson and Barbara Broccoli decide to step down, maybe Bond should come to an end ?
I'm looking forward to the post Wilson & Broccoli tenure. Babs in particular seems to have too much influence and together they have had a strangle hold on Bond for too long. I would love to see from fresh thinking after 23.
Bond 21 was very fresh for the series...
Indeed.... it's just a question of how long some can wait -{
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And before everyone clogs up this thread with comments, please go to the already-existing AJB topic:
http://ajb007.co.uk/topic/37658/daniel-craig-set-to-become-longest-serving-james-bond/
I like Craig but it'd be nice to give him more humour, like the old Bond movies. We need a guy, like in Goldeneye, who says : «Hey James, you do any gardening?»
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OMG.
His eyes are still like a wolf.
I dont get it with the Craig bashing. Connery was how old when he filmed DAF and Moore was 46 when he STARTED. Lets just lay off Craig until we've all seen Skyfall or at least until a main trailer has been released.
Here Here! - Totally agree with you Sir!
At least Craig looks like someone that could do some serious damage to someone, Unlike Sir Rog, who lets face it was as menacing as cold custard.
If DC is 54 in Bond28 as indicated by Mi6 (http://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond_23_dec18_wilson_on_craig.php3?t=&s=&id=03036) – I simply think he is to old…. This is just an attempt to say RELAX we don’t know what is going to happen…
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